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Loki

Loki

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khaled_a_d said:
The one billion figure includes the VIP seats levers. It is inflated by that.
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I think it's a negligible inflation. Barca announced the sale of the rights to resell some VIP seats is a multi-year contract that helps providing the club with a stable financial base medium-long term. It allowed us to register Olmo short-term, but we don't know how much was needed in the first place and how much the club had room to operate, given that Olmo was the only signing with Pau Victor.

With returning to the Camp Nou and our team keep playing successful and attractive football next season, I expect the club to breach the billion € treshhold. Lamine's #10 with the new kit will probably already break all records.
 
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khaled_a_d

khaled_a_d

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draconifire said:
We're going to eat good next financial year.
And people are worried about FFP, bruv we gonna buy shit ton of players.

Bring me Nico, bring me Grimaldo, bring me Bastoni, heck bring me Rashford with a daily 24/7 buffet for Fatporta with golden lobsters.
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It is only 16M my man, and whatever we paid last December.

If anything, 121.7M on 4 seasons (fiscal years) is average of 30.425M annually. Hardly the reason we are in financial trouble.

And we will have some payments to Fati, Lenglet (rumoured to get around 3.5M compensation) and soon Ter Stegen.

It is good news, but not that good.
 
Andresito

Andresito

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Regarding the deferred salaries, those were already written off as a loss in Laporta's first season no? In other words they don't really affect the budgets of today. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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M3ls

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Barcaman said:
It is a bit of a stain on Messi.
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The biggest shame for him was the 70 million euros he demanded and received from the club as a loyalty bonus.

In 2017, when he was 30 years old, we gave him 40 million net, excluding bonuses, and he also demanded a loyalty bonus of 70 million euros.

As you know, the loyalty bonus is the money he received for not leaving the club.

Does a person who loves a club conduct financial relations with the club in this way?
 
soul24rage

soul24rage

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M3ls said:
The biggest shame for him was the 70 million euros he demanded and received from the club as a loyalty bonus.

In 2017, when he was 30 years old, we gave him 40 million net, excluding bonuses, and he also demanded a loyalty bonus of 70 million euros.

As you know, the loyalty bonus is the money he received for not leaving the club.

Does a person who loves a club conduct financial relations with the club in this way?
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Loyalty bonus is still super cheap for a player like Messi

The club should have offered him a bigger bonus
 
khaled_a_d

khaled_a_d

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Andresito said:
Regarding the deferred salaries, those were already written off as a loss in Laporta's first season no? In other words they don't really affect the budgets of today. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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AFAIK, Amortizations were the ones that were written as losses. Those of Coutinho, Pjanic among others. They were made this way in order to be able to sell/lian them.
 
draconifire

draconifire

NTC with a Positive attitude
khaled_a_d said:
It is only 16M my man, and whatever we paid last December.

If anything, 121.7M on 4 seasons (fiscal years) is average of 30.425M annually. Hardly the reason we are in financial trouble.

And we will have some payments to Fati, Lenglet (rumoured to get around 3.5M compensation) and soon Ter Stegen.

It is good news, but not that good.
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Just joking around. It's just we don't have to penny pinch anymore to sign a couple of players, that's it.
 
Joan

Joan

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M3ls said:
The biggest shame for him was the 70 million euros he demanded and received from the club as a loyalty bonus.

In 2017, when he was 30 years old, we gave him 40 million net, excluding bonuses, and he also demanded a loyalty bonus of 70 million euros.

As you know, the loyalty bonus is the money he received for not leaving the club.

Does a person who loves a club conduct financial relations with the club in this way?
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Messi, amigos and co got what they signed up for at the end of their European careers.

Underwhelming results, public humiliations, and Real’s historic run.
 
Loki

Loki

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khaled_a_d said:
AFAIK, Amortizations were the ones that were written as losses. Those of Coutinho, Pjanic among others. They were made this way in order to be able to sell/lian them.
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Exactly. Writing off the amortizations in one season had the positive effect of lowering the total player's cost in the coming seasons for the ffp, as well as gave the club profits when selling these players even for a low amount.
It had nothing to do with deferred wages.
 
draconifire

draconifire

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Alright, lads, explain to me like I am 5 years old. A bit confused here.

We are not in a 1:1 rule. Let's just play with it.
Our Salary cap rose from 426m to 463m which is a 37m increase. https://barcauniversal.com/official...463-6-million-from-e426-million-in-september/

Why do we still need to sell players in order to register other players? We have 37m to play with, no? So, any players like Garcia, Nico, should be able to accommodate in that?
Is it the players' renewals with higher salaries a factor in this? But then a lot of players have renewed with lower salary, and an additional 37m is quite a bit of salary cap rise.
 
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Porque

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draconifire said:
Alright, lads, explain to me like I am 5 years old. A bit confused here.

We are not in a 1:1 rule. Let's just play with it.
Our Salary cap rose from 426m to 463m which is a 37m increase. https://barcauniversal.com/official...463-6-million-from-e426-million-in-september/

Why do we still need to sell players in order to register other players? We have 37m to play with, no? So, any players like Garcia, Nico, should be able to accommodate in that?
Is it the players' renewals with higher salaries a factor in this? But then a lot of players have renewed with lower salary, and an additional 37m is quite a bit of salary cap rise.
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The answer is no one knows. Last season first team sales alone, we made more than expenses.

This season so far,
-Lenglet & Ansu off the books.
-Alex Valle sold for 6m
-Pablo Torre all but agreed 5m.
-Ludo Reis - 1.75m, % of resale
-Todibo - 8m, % of resale
-Ilaix - 600k, % of resale
-Alex Collado - 400k, % of resale
-Big Dom and Darvich - 2.2m in sales

That's 25m in transfers and two big wages dropped/vastly reduced.

So Joan Garcia is paid for by transfers so far.

So yeah, renewals on track, big wage dumps on track and residual sales on track.

We will know more over the first 5-10 days of July. If Nico isn't here yet then there are some FFP issues which haven't been cleared yet and/or board haven't been transparent about.
 
khaled_a_d

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
draconifire said:
Alright, lads, explain to me like I am 5 years old. A bit confused here.

We are not in a 1:1 rule. Let's just play with it.
Our Salary cap rose from 426m to 463m which is a 37m increase. https://barcauniversal.com/official...463-6-million-from-e426-million-in-september/

Why do we still need to sell players in order to register other players? We have 37m to play with, no? So, any players like Garcia, Nico, should be able to accommodate in that?
Is it the players' renewals with higher salaries a factor in this? But then a lot of players have renewed with lower salary, and an additional 37m is quite a bit of salary cap rise.
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With that increase, we were just barely able to legally register Olmo and Pau Victor. With 1M or so as extra margin.

And this with 100M vip sale (or was it 200M? I lost track). An amount we aren't receiving again.

Then, we renewed half of the squad, so players cost even more now.

Then we bought Joan García.



OTOH, we get back to Camp Nou, we have good chunk of the deferred salaries done. Those are favourable factors.

There are reasons there is folks getting paid well for such head spinning calculations
 
Joan

Joan

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draconifire said:
Alright, lads, explain to me like I am 5 years old. A bit confused here.

We are not in a 1:1 rule. Let's just play with it.
Our Salary cap rose from 426m to 463m which is a 37m increase. https://barcauniversal.com/official...463-6-million-from-e426-million-in-september/

Why do we still need to sell players in order to register other players? We have 37m to play with, no? So, any players like Garcia, Nico, should be able to accommodate in that?
Is it the players' renewals with higher salaries a factor in this? But then a lot of players have renewed with lower salary, and an additional 37m is quite a bit of salary cap rise.
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In January Barca announced they were back in the 1:1 regime thanks to a 100m VIP seats sale but Liga never confirmed that. In February, the SCL was raised from 426m to 463m. In April, Liga cuts Barca's cap again and throws the 100m sale out but the new cap was never published:
MADRID, April 2 (Reuters) - LaLiga lowered Barcelona's wage cap on Wednesday after it said the club's recently revised accounts do not match the end-of-year figures from its previous auditor which included a 100 million euros ($108.15 million) transaction.

The previous accounts included proceeds from the sale of VIP seats in the renovated Camp Nou which allowed Barca to comply with LaLiga’s Financial Fair Play rules and extend the registration of players Dani Olmo and Pau Victor.
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463m is the last public figure, but we don't know the internal working figure the league uses once they stripped the 100m sale.

We should learn where we stand soon.

As for the reasons the cost side's rising:
- Yamal went from almost nothing to 15-20m, let's say 15m jump
- Araujo from 9 to 12-15, say 4m jump
- Olmo played under a half season licence, his costs on the books double after the proper registration
- Garcia should take 7-8m on the books
- other renewals? I'm lazy to check

But the biggest factor remains the new limit.

I'll throw this one into the mix too: https://www.barcablaugranes.com/202...ion-to-register-joan-garcia-and-nico-williams
Barcelona reportedly need to raise around €47 million to register new signing Joan Garcia and top target Nico Williams.

According to Diario AS, Barcelona will need to make a “titanic effort” to register both players as they are still not operating within the 1:1 rule.

However, the report states that Barca are confident and have a plan of how to raise the necessary funds.
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