1? - Lamine Yamal

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Maradona37

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Messigician said:
Show me one example of a GOAT player with this lifestyle?
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There's been several, though it was in a less professional era.

Garrincha, Best, Maradona. Other top players who drank (not GOAT level) - Bryan Robson, Gazza and numerous others.

People really go overboard about how a 'bad lifestyle' (if you can even call sleeping around like Yamal might do a bad lifestyle, I personally do not) can affect a player. Probably never played football themselves. Players used to go out on the piss the night before and run the show the next day. A player with loads of talent and a bad lifestyle will still generally outperform a moderately talented player who lives like a monk.

If they mean it cannot happen in Yamal's generation then fair enough. But in the past players were playboys and partiers and still ran the show most weekends. The stories are legendary of boozing and then running the game on little sleep and half pissed. Abd back then players could get away with being a bit chubbier too.

I don't think Yamal shagging a new girl every night or week will really affect his game much to be honest. Sex is good for you. It might make him less focused, but on the other hand it could fulfil him as a person and make him happy as Larry, and more likely to be motivated on the park as he has the time of his life off it.

Like I say, it's a different game now, so you might have a point about now. But in the past LOADS of unprofessional players thrived.
 
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Messi983 said:
And people getting more and more envious, love it.
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This thread is like a soap opera (and I regret contributing to it on earlier pages by speculating about his lifestyle). The posters on here are worse than a sewing circle, as they say in Pulp Fiction.

It's none of our business what he does. Barca are his employers (admittedly fans contribute to the club's coffers, though). If they have a problem they will take it up with him.

He's a 17-year-old kid whose fame has increased exponentially over the last year. His hormones will be raging and we'd all be doing the same thing.

Expecting him to live like an old biddy or Tibetan monk at age 17 is just totally unrealistic. And not fair either. Let the kid live.

And, to be honest, maybe he'd be happier having fun off the park than being known as a GOAT level footballer. Unlike what football fans think, football and a player's legacy in the game is far from the be all and end all. I'd rather enjoy my life than be like Ronaldo and terrified to drink a bottle of coke in case it takes away 0.0001 percent of my legacy in a game that doesn't even matter anyway ultimately. In 200 years the game of football may well be a relic anyway.

Life is for living. You should work to live, not live to work, and that applies to football too.

Let the kid enjoy his life for fuck sake. He's hardly self-destructing by spending time with women.
 
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Also, this thread (and other threads on here) highlight why I would absolutely hate to be famous.

People all over the world knowing who you are, and having an opinion about your talent, character, looks and so on. People you have never met stalking you and wanting to be in your life. You becoming public property. Creepy as fuck.

There's something to really be said for anonymity. I would much rather be me than Messi, Ronaldo or Yamal. Yes, they're all much more talented than me (in one specific, in-demand field) but they cannot go anywhere without an army of sycophants mobbing them. I can go anywhere I like and be left alone in general. I can do what i want every day without judgement (mostly).

The same applies to all of you. Most of you won't reveal anything about your life on barcaforum, most refuse to even say their first name, so I know you'd struggle with being world-famous. So people on this site are the last ones who should judge Yamal for how he lives his life in the public arena.

Maybe the worst would be being born into the scummy Royal Family. Not famous for any talent or anything enjoyable, but an accident of birth. 99 percent of the time wholly unqualified for the job, but ultra-famous and cannot escape it anyway. Fuck that.
 
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Maradona, Garincha... You listed players here who played in an era when football was MUCH MUCH MUCH slower than it is now. Much less tactical than it is now.

In the past, most players didn't care about diet, sleep patterns, personal training, etc.

It's not just about medicine and pharmacology, football players are now a hundred times more professional in their approach to their work.
 
Don Juan Laporta Estruch

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Maradona37 said:
There's been several, though it was in a less professional era.

Garrincha, Best, Maradona. Other top players who drank (not GOAT level) - Bryan Robson, Gazza and numerous others.

People really go overboard about how a 'bad lifestyle' (if you can even call sleeping around like Yamal might do a bad lifestyle, I personally do not) can affect a player. Probably never played football themselves. Players used to go out on the piss the night before and run the show the next day. A player with loads of talent and a bad lifestyle will still generally outperform a moderately talented player who lives like a monk.

If they mean it cannot happen in Yamal's generation then fair enough. But in the past players were playboys and partiers and still ran the show most weekends. The stories are legendary of boozing and then running the game on little sleep and half pissed. Abd back then players could get away with being a bit chubbier too.

I don't think Yamal shagging a new girl every night or week will really affect his game much to be honest. Sex is good for you. It might make him less focused, but on the other hand it could fulfil him as a person and make him happy as Larry, and more likely to be motivated on the park as he has the time of his life off it.

Like I say, it's a different game now, so you might have a point about now. But in the past LOADS of unprofessional players thrived.
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When judging things I always try and put myself in the situation and see how I would have acted. Now, I don't begrudge him falling to temptation, as I would almost certainly have done so myself at 17. It would take an extremely disciplined 17 year old to resist.

The issue lies, as Barca fans, that we all want to see him FULFILL HIS UTMOST POTENTIAL. Now, the players you have listed here are indeed great, one in particular that bears your name, was otherworldly. But I think you'd agree that they all failed to fulfill their potential. Some of them by quite some considerable margin.

There are those that dedicated their lives to football ( Leo, Ron ) who managed to squeeze every last drop out of their careers. From the point of view as a Barca fan, ideally Lamine would do the same.

I don't want to have watched his last game in 20 years time thinking to myself that this guy could have achieved so much more, like we do when we watch his idol Ney. Is that selfish? Not at all, when you consider that my point of view is that he would lead a more balanced and happier life choosing the Leo route rather than the George Best one, anyway.
 
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Don Juan Laporta Estruch said:
When judging things I always try and put myself in the situation and see how I would have acted. Now, I don't begrudge him falling to temptation, as I would almost certainly have done so myself at 17. It would take an extremely disciplined 17 year old to resist.

The issue lies, as Barca fans, that we all want to see him FULFILL HIS UTMOST POTENTIAL. Now, the players you have listed here are indeed great, one in particular that bears your name, was otherworldly. But I'd think you'd agree that they all failed to fulfill their potential. Some of them by quite some considerable margin.

There are those that dedicated their lives to football ( Leo, Ron ) who managed to squeeze every last drop out of their careers. From the point of view as a Barca fan, ideally Lamine would do the same.

I don't want to have watched his last game in 20 years time thinking to myself that this guy could have achieved so much more, like we do when we watch his idol Ney. Is that selfish? Not at all, when you consider that my point of view is that he would lead a more balanced and happier life choosing the Leo route rather than the George Best one, anyway.
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I agree

But the other pertinent point I made is one of how much it matters to him - does he actually WANT a GOAT legacy? To some players like Hazard, Best and Neymar, they just wanna enjoy their lives. They're just normal guys who happen to be brilliant footballers. They are not like Messi and Ronaldo where their legacy in football is everything to them (and I would argue it isn't everything to messi either, just that he's so absurdly talented that he could drink coke and eat pizza as a young player and get away with it).

Those players probably did fail to fulfil their potential, but would they change it? Perhaps they have no regrets as they lived their lives to the fullest off the park.

Like I said, some people don't care about being a football GOAT. Maybe Yamal will be one of them, and that is fine.
 
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Maradona37

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M3ls said:
Maradona, Garincha... You listed players here who played in an era when football was MUCH MUCH MUCH slower than it is now. Much less tactical than it is now.

In the past, most players didn't care about diet, sleep patterns, personal training, etc.

It's not just about medicine and pharmacology, football players are now a hundred times more professional in their approach to their work.
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Yes, I made that point repeatedly. That it's a different era.

I am fully aware nowadays that I have to make points over and over again to ensure people know I am aware of the counter arguments. And even if I do the likes of you will mention it anyway.

I am more interested in if he wants to be a goat level player or not. Maybe he doesn't, which is fine. Football just isn't that important in the grand scheme of things - certainly not important enough to let it take over your life as a pro player.
 
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M3ls

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Maradona37 said:
Yes, I made that point repeatedly. That it's a different era.

I am fully aware nowadays that I have to make points over and over again to ensure people know I am aware of the counter arguments. And even if I do the likes of you will mention it anyway.

I am more interested in if he wants to be a goat level player or not. Maybe he doesn't, which is fine. Football just isn't that important in the grand scheme of things - certainly not important enough to let it take over your life as a pro player.
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This counter-argument completely destroys your argument.

As for the question of whether football is important or not, that's another question.

If people watch, go to stadiums, buy paraphernalia, etc., then it's important to them.

Moreover, Lamin's salary comes from fans.

So he is responsible first and foremost to the fans and to the club.

A bad lifestyle will undoubtedly affect the quality of his performance given the realities of today's football.

Therefore, talking about how we should not demand that he behave like a professional athlete, including off the field, is complete nonsense.
 
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Maradona37

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M3ls said:
This counter-argument completely destroys your argument.

As for the question of whether football is important or not, that's another question.

If people watch, go to stadiums, buy paraphernalia, etc., then it's important to them.

Moreover, Lamin's salary comes from fans.

So he is responsible first and foremost to the fans and to the club.

A bad lifestyle will undoubtedly affect the quality of his performance given the realities of today's football.

Therefore, talking about how we should not demand that he behave like a professional athlete, including off the field, is complete nonsense.
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You're probably one of these gimps who thinks football is life and death. It isn't.

How much money do you personally put into Barcelona?

None, I bet. Bet you live in another continent and watch games in your piss stained trousers at 5 am on a dodgy stream. Stop trying to act like you personally pay his wages and have a right to tell him how to live his life.

If people are stupid enough to fund the wages of a millionaire, that's their problem. Yamal owes them absolutely fuck all.

Blocked. With the nonsense you come out with about Messi too it has been a long time coming (y)
 
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