Xavi Hernández V2

serghei

Senior Member
At the end of the day, Xavi is still a La Liga winning manager, despite the bad situation the club is in. He deserves to stay and prove himself again next season.
 

serghei

Senior Member

Absolutely he does. And contrary to other managers at the top 10 teams, he wasn't backed with half a billion.

That being said, the team has to improve and challenge for the league next season, if he can't get us there, I agree his time is up.
 

Respekt_III

Anti-everything
Absolutely he does. And contrary to other managers at the top 10 teams, he wasn't backed with half a billion.

That being said, the team has to improve and challenge for the league next season, if he can't get us there, I agree his time is up.
only in your mind.
He's made plenty of mistakes and the club backed him regardless of what you think. We put ourselves in further debt to sign and improve the team because "we are barca" we can't use that as an excuse to put more financial risk on the club but then ignore it when it suits your narrative. The guy has failed numerous times when the going gets tough, fluking a fucking league title because of black magic(only explanation just like Zidane's cl voodoo) prevent teams form scoring absolute sitters.

We still have one of the largest wages and transfer budgets compared to other teams. How do you justify not having a style of player after fucking 2+ years and being outplayed be teams with a fraction of our overall budget. Guys a fucking mediocre manager at best and you going against literally everything you ever argued about our previous managers just shows your hilarious hypocritical take on things.
 

Givenchy

Senior Member
Absolutely he does. And contrary to other managers at the top 10 teams, he wasn't backed with half a billion.

That being said, the team has to improve and challenge for the league next season, if he can't get us there, I agree his time is up.
What do you make of his off-field petulance?

Doing well, 2-0 up, defence makes a mistake, we collapse due to the pressure and Xavi gets himself sent off to self fulfil his prophecy that everyone is against us. Rinse and repeat.

The players have a bottle mentality no doubt about it, when the going gets tough the players shit their pants BUT seeing the manager do that also just compounds the problem.
 

serghei

Senior Member
What do you make of his off-field petulance?

Doing well, 2-0 up, defence makes a mistake, we collapse due to the pressure and Xavi gets himself sent off to self fulfil his prophecy that everyone is against us. Rinse and repeat.
That's not good. He has things to improve obviously. A young manager that lacks experience.
 

serghei

Senior Member
only in your mind.
He's made plenty of mistakes and the club backed him regardless of what you think. We put ourselves in further debt to sign and improve the team because "we are barca" we can't use that as an excuse to put more financial risk on the club but then ignore it when it suits your narrative. The guy has failed numerous times when the going gets tough, fluking a fucking league title because of black magic(only explanation just like Zidane's cl voodoo) prevent teams form scoring absolute sitters.

We still have one of the largest wages and transfer budgets compared to other teams. How do you justify not having a style of player after fucking 2+ years and being outplayed be teams with a fraction of our overall budget. Guys a fucking mediocre manager at best and you going against literally everything you ever argued about our previous managers just shows your hilarious hypocritical take on things.

Only in my mind? It's public record lol.

He has won titles here and improved us in CL. :lol: These are facts. You can't fluke a 38 games competition btw.
 

Don Juan Laporta Estruch

Well-known member
We are still working our way through getting rid of the transfer disasters of Bartomeu.

If Xavi is allowed to get the old, slow players he wants this summer, we will be working through those disasters for the next 3/4 years as well.

He needs to know his limitations. He absolutely cannot be allowed to buy the players this summer.
 

Birdy

Senior Member
only in your mind.
He's made plenty of mistakes and the club backed him regardless of what you think. We put ourselves in further debt to sign and improve the team because "we are barca" we can't use that as an excuse to put more financial risk on the club but then ignore it when it suits your narrative. The guy has failed numerous times when the going gets tough, fluking a fucking league title because of black magic(only explanation just like Zidane's cl voodoo) prevent teams form scoring absolute sitters.

We still have one of the largest wages and transfer budgets compared to other teams. How do you justify not having a style of player after fucking 2+ years and being outplayed be teams with a fraction of our overall budget. Guys a fucking mediocre manager at best and you going against literally everything you ever argued about our previous managers just shows your hilarious hypocritical take on things.
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Welcome back @Respekt_III
Another serious poster that the forum missed so much
 

Respekt_III

Anti-everything
Only in my mind? It's public record lol.

He has won titles here and improved us in CL. :lol: These are facts. You can't fluke a 38 games competition btw.
You absolutely can win a 38 competition when the level dips and you constantly fluke a number of games which we did. Don't want to dive into the stats but the eye test should be enough to tell our performances weren't that of serious champions - lets not talk about Europe as well.. We just have to look at the EPL that you love to talk about, look at the level of the teams dropping and Leicester winning the fucking league, you don't think that was a fluke? the biggest fluke in history. if it can happen to an ultra-competitive league like the EPL why can't it happen in an effectively 2 horse Legue here.

The title win is great but it's because of the circumstances around the season and not because Xavi is great.

Also, he hasn't improved us in the CL it just looks that way because we massively underperformed previous years so the bar was absurdly low. Your results-based analysis is a joke.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Eye test is subjective. The results are not. If you can't understand even the bare minimum... not much of a conversation to be had.
 

Respekt_III

Anti-everything
Eye test is subjective. The results are not. If you can't understand even the bare minimum... not much of a conversation to be had.
sure thing ill make sure to watch football through stats instead.
Di Mateo is one of the best managers because he fluked a champions league
Ranieri is an excellent manager because he fluked an EPL title.

results based analysis is whack.

would you be willing to address any of the other points i made in relation to Xavi being at best a mediocre manager? or will you just continuously say but he won a title because that's all you have to lean on?
 

serghei

Senior Member
Since you spoke about transfers in laudatory terms... maybe you need to check out some more facts.


Barcelona spent on their squad a total of 375m in transfer fees. 10m more than Notthingam Forrest. 40m less then Everton. These are teams from bottom table in EPL.
 

Respekt_III

Anti-everything
Since you spoke about transfers in laudatory terms... maybe you need to check out some more facts.


Barcelona spent on their squad a total of 375m in transfer fees. 10m more than Notthingam Forrest. 40m less then Everton. These are teams from bottom table in EPL.
So only 2 la liga clubs spent more yet it doesn't address the point about being outplayed by them... you know the teams we play against every week.

i notice that Inter (255m) are below us but yet they comfortably won their league and were in the CL final last year pushing city close. Maybe money isn't the be all and end all that you seem to think it is. To strengthen that point where is Bayer Leverkusen? you know the one with Xabi being undefeated in the league and potentially doing a double with an assembled squad value of 275m. - this is not important as im just highlighting money isn't the only thing that determines success, to me a style of play and progression are equally if not more important


If sport gave titles to teams based on spend then yeah you could have some sort of point.
If anything, losing against teams with a fraction of our budget seems to be reinforced by this link.
 

Rory

Senior Member
Stats you're probably thinking of is 11/38 games were won 1-0 by us. We basically did a Leicester 2015/2016. Except we did it whilst having much superior squads and higher wages than 18/20 teams.
 
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