Ousmane Dembélé

FA761 said:
Cause he is playing second fiddle to mbappe and he wasnt as clutch for cl this time around.
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He was much more clutch this season than he was last.

He scored brace in Liverpool tie. He scored 3 goals vs Bayern. Scored in thr final.
 
Windhook said:
Funny how in a similar triumphant season Dembele is nowhere near the talks of BdO.

Pedestrian.
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That's because of the World Cup; he was in the top 3 in conversations after they won the UCL. However, having 8 g/a in a World Cup with Messi having 12 g/a in finals, and Mbappe with 14 g/a would do that.

He'll be in the conversations again when they play the UEFA Super Cup next month, seeing how he performs in the top matches for PSG.

For now, Messi should've won the Golden Ball of the World Cup already, as voting ended yesterday. I think Mbappe or Rodri may win the Silver Ball, and Bellingham, Olise, Kane, Mbappe, or Rodri may be up for the Bronze Ball. The fact that Mbappe, Bellingham, and Olise still scored or assisted yesterday could be fresh when they're ending the votes yesterday
 
Outside of cutting inside and curler to the far post, he doesn't have much of a goalscoring arsenal at all.

Now, many players have made great careers out of having such one dimensional finishing ability ( Robben for example ).

My problem is that this particular cat WON A BALLON DOR with such one dimensional finishing ability.

How it happened I'm not quite sure, but it will forever be a stain on the credibility of the award. :nasser:
 
Don Money Laporta Estruch said:
Outside of cutting inside and curler to the far post, he doesn't have much of a goalscoring arsenal at all.

Now, many players have made great careers out of having such one dimensional finishing ability ( Robben for example ).

My problem is that this particular cat WON A BALLON DOR with such one dimensional finishing ability.

How it happened I'm not quite sure, but it will forever be a stain on the credibility of the award. :nasser:
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That's just the way this award has moved

Team trophies now rule. It does not matter who performed the best or who is the best player

Messi arrived and people quickly realized we have to invent some reasons to stop this guy from winning every edition for next 20 years

And now you can be an absolute random, if it happens that you won two major titles suddenly you are ballon d'or contender
 
Don Money Laporta Estruch said:
Outside of cutting inside and curler to the far post, he doesn't have much of a goalscoring arsenal at all.

Now, many players have made great careers out of having such one dimensional finishing ability ( Robben for example ).

My problem is that this particular cat WON A BALLON DOR with such one dimensional finishing ability.

How it happened I'm not quite sure, but it will forever be a stain on the credibility of the award. :nasser:
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Not at all, asides Benzema, Messi and Ronaldo, he's the player winning the Ballon Dor with the most g/a since 2000, with 52 g/a in his campaign.

Shevchenko had 34, Nedved had 26, Owen 28, Figo - 45, De Lima 18 in 2002 etc.

He also has the 3rd most gap ahead of the second placed player in the history, so if they were to vote 10 times again, he would win it 10 times with his performance and his club winning everything last season.

The fact is others underperformed last season, and that's not his business

If Dembele was in Shevchenko, Nedved, Ronaldinho, Henry era and won all trophies while having 52 g/a, he's definitely winning the Ballon Dor even then (especially if its not a world cup year)
 
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feggydinho said:
Not at all, asides Benzema, Messi and Ronaldo, he's the player winning the Ballon Dor with the most g/a since 2000, with 52 g/a in his campaign.

Shevchenko had 34, Nedved had 26, Owen 28, Figo - 45, De Lima 18 in 2002 etc.

He also has the 3rd most gap ahead of the second placed player in the history, so if they were to vote 10 times again, he would win it 10 times with his performance and his club winning everything last season.

The fact is others underperformed last season, and that's not his business
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Yeah mate g/a is what matters :lol:

Yamal was 10 times better than him in that season. Wasn't even much of a debate back then either. People just gave it to Dembele because of his CL

Dembele was horrible until January
 
MonteCuler said:
Yeah mate g/a is what matters :lol:

Yamal was 10 times better than him in that season. Wasn't even much of a debate back then either. People just gave it to Dembele because of his CL

Dembele was horrible until January
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Yamal wasn't better than him last season, keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better, you could also give him the Ballon Dor while at it

I know that if they were to vote 10 times based on their performance and winnings last season, Dembele would win 10 out of 10, the fact that Yamal took on Inter Milan solely for most of the time (that was a wrong approach btw) and we still lost doesnt change that. Dembele literally won the UEFA player of the year and Fifa best too
 
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10x better is a stretch but yamal was more consistently good that season dembele won because of the CL and that's fine.

But nothing dembele did compared to yamal vs inter in a loss that season.

I wonder if the votes yamal and raphinha got was more than the total for dembele.
 
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MonteCuler said:
Yeah mate g/a is what matters :lol:

Yamal was 10 times better than him in that season. Wasn't even much of a debate back then either. People just gave it to Dembele because of his CL

Dembele was horrible until January
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One thing u need to know is that there's a difference between better innate ability and potential and having better season.

Messi has the best innate ability, but that alone doesnt give him the ballon dor for all season he plays, cause it's not given for better innate ability.

I think you confuse that with best performer for a season, which has to do with making being one of the main drivers to your team winning all the main trophies
 
jamrock said:
10x better is a stretch but yamal was more consistently good that seasonz dembele would because of the CL and that's fine.

But nothing dembele did compared to yamal vs inter in a loss that season.

I wonder if the votes yamal and raphinha got was more than the total for dembele.
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Yamal can have 50 dribbles against Inter, and that won't give him the Ballon Dor in any season.

I'll put it again, winning the best player for a season is not having the best innate ability amongst other players.
 
feggydinho said:
Yamal can have 50 dribbles against Inter, and that won't give him the Ballon Dor in any season.

I'll put it again, winning the best player for a season is not having the best innate ability amongst other players.
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He wouldn't win it on one performance obviously, that one performance just highlights the difference between their talent when they are playing at their best.

He would have won it because from the start of the season to the end he was better than dembele who was poor until January.

But dembele played a big part in his team winning the CL so it's understandable why he won it.

In fact raphinha was also better than dembele over the course of the entire reason.
 
jamrock said:
He wouldn't win it on one performance obviously, that one performance just highlights the difference between their talent when they are playing at their best.

He would have won it because from the start of the season to the end he was better than dembele who was poor until January.

But dembele played a big part in his team winning the CL so it's understandable why he won it.

In fact raphinha was also better than dembele over the course of the entire reason.
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Raphinha wasn't better overall, playing a vital in winning big trophies has always been part of the criteria for Ballon Dor, even 20 years back.

Raphinha won't have still won it in 2000 over a Dembele that won all trophies with his 52 g/a.

Raphinha was clearly better at the beginning, infact Barca as a club was better than PSG at the beginning (Liverpool was on top and and Salah was on another level), but in reality the end counts more and PSG ended the campaign as a better club.

Dembele went on to have 9 g/a in 9 games from play offs to winning UEFA, and also contributed to them winning the UEFA supercup
 
feggydinho said:
Raphinha wasn't better overall, playing a vital in winning big trophies has always been part of the criteria for Ballon Dor, even 20 years back.

Raphinha won't have still won it in 2000 over a Dembele that won all trophies with his 52 g/a.

Raphinha was clearly better at the beginning, infact Barca as a club was better than PSG at the beginning (Liverpool was on top and and Salah was on another level), but in reality the end counts more and PSG ended the campaign as a better club.

Dembele went on to have 9 g/a in 9 games from play offs to winning UEFA, and also contributed to them winning the UEFA supercup
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You still forget the fact Dembele until January had an absolutely shit season

He racked up the G/A against french farmers in no time, but both Yamal and Raphinha were better over full season

This is why I say that Dembele won because of his CL trophy. It's the absolute truth. If he didn't win CL no chance he would win. And that's okay. But he was not best player itw that season
 
MonteCuler said:
You still forget the fact Dembele until January had an absolutely shit season

He racked up the G/A against french farmers in no time, but both Yamal and Raphinha were better over full season

This is why I say that Dembele won because of his CL trophy. It's the absolute truth. If he didn't win CL no chance he would win. And that's okay. But he was not best player itw that season
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I guess Arsenal (finished 3rd in group stage), Liverpool (1st), Inter Milan (4th) and Aston Villa (8th) are french farmers too.

On a side note UEFA exploits has always contributed majorly to Ballon Dor when not in a world cup year, so nothing new

The main thing is how you finish, PSG was shit till January and Barca, Liverpool, Arsenal were all better than them, does that make their winning best club at the final end bad?
 
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