Hansi Flick

[ajnotkeith]

the fact you wrote this bullshit essay to chastise him proves that he's in fact not preaching to the choir. He did something that earned him criticism from bad faith actors like you who are worried about other people sympathizing with the plight of Palestinians and that to me is worth respecting

Rewind ; how do you know what my opinion on it is? You've skipped a lot of steps.

I get it though, discussion is no fun, its much easier to get straight to devaluing, and placing yourself on a pedestal. Unfortunately, your rant fails before it even begins, your assumption is completely wrong. That's before mentioning that you justified literally nothing you've said (of course, you are not trying to, you are trying to be a hero).

Emotionalising online is fun, but it is usually illogical, like displayed by your outburst.

 

[redios10]

Rewind ; how do you know what my opinion on it is? You've skipped a lot of steps.

I get it though, discussion is no fun, its much easier to get straight to devaluing, and placing yourself on a pedestal. Unfortunately, your rant fails before it even begins, your assumption is completely wrong. That's before mentioning that you justified literally nothing you've said (of course, you are not trying to, you are trying to be a hero).

Emotionalising online is fun, but it is usually illogical, like displayed by your outburst.

I know what your opinion is because you’re the typical bad faith actor who pretends to be neutral while writing essays to attack someone who’s on the opposite side of an issue as you. Your actions make it clear which side you’re on. You don’t have to spell it out. That’s the difference between you and Lamine. He takes a clear stand despite knowing the criticism he’ll receive while you cowardly throw stones and hide your hands

 

[~Bedazzle~]

Yeh. Lamine is a global star with global sponsors. His symbolic act certainly carries the risk of jeopardizing these economic ties. Additionally, contrary to @ajnotkeith's assertions, Lamine's employer has never been pro-Palestinian. To the contrary, the club has always maintained commercial relations with Israel, with the teams in the past making preseason visits to the place, and plenty of players past and present having visible affiliations ( Lewa, Pedri etc). Laporta has hosted Israeli dignitaries at Camp Nou, talked about reinforcing club's ties with them, and has Israelis as his close associates (Zahavi etc). The fact that Lamine was immediately admonished is testament to this fact.
Yes, a section of the catalan fanbase may be pro-Palestinian but then that is true to most fanbases. While in the recent past la liga clubs and their fans like Bilbao, Sociedad have shown support to the Palestinian cause, Lamine's employer has remained rather silent. To suggest there is zero risk in his political expression is being dishonest, so is assuming Lamine isn't making any material contributions behind the scenes.

Sorry, I like Flick as a manager and credit to him for his body of work. However I'm not vibing with his response given his Germant NT did engage in an act of pol. protest that he fully endorsed. Are human rights non-negotiable only when concerning a certain group? Would he still dislike it, if Lamine raised a rainbow or Israeli flag? I have my doubts.

 

[ajnotkeith]

Your actions make it clear which side you’re on. You don’t have to spell it out. That’s the difference between you and Lamine. He takes a clear stand despite knowing the criticism he’ll receive while you cowardly throw stones and hide your hands

Excuse me for a moment, I'll address the first part later.

He is a multi millionaire footballer for Barcelona, whose fanbase is made up mostly of kids and 18-25, in a country that is overwhelmingly pro-Palestine. He isn't Malcom X or Che Guevara for holding a Palestine flag. Don't romanticise it into something it isn't.

Every aspect of his environment is already pro Palestine. The tiny percentage of people who will criticise him will probably be online fans from other countries, if even that, and definitely nobody who holds actual influence over his career.

At the end of the day he is a person like you, not some hero, he only stands to gain from publicly supporting Palestine. If anything, given his target market, it will probably massively increase his popularity and open more sponsorship deals.

I know what your opinion is because you’re the typical bad faith actor who pretends to be neutral while writing essays to attack someone who’s on the opposite side of an issue as you. Your actions make it clear which side you’re on. You don’t have to spell it out.

This is so wrong. If we were on the old forum I could quote some of my posts in the old Israel Palestine trend. They are definitely not neutral. although I will write more in the appropriate thread so I don't go further off topic here.

Why immediately assume that I am pretending to be neutral, why do you think that is an act? The actual meaning of my post had nothing really to do with Israel and Palestine at all, it was just incidental because that was the topic.

But if you read again you will see it is more a comment on morality and how it works in modern society, rather than anything specific to this issue. Especially for very wealthy and famous people, purely symbolic acts can invite suspicion, given how easy and low effort it would be to also contribute materially at the same time.

This is one of the cases where his unique position means he can effect significant change with even less effort than it took to wave the flag. That makes me wonder why he's not doing it given how desperate the need is for it.

Palestinian fundraising efforts at the moment are hitting a wall and I have seen some cases online where support groups are mentioning the reduced rate of donation is forcing them to cut back their work. There are disabled children etc trying to crowdfund treatment. Me and you are not world famous superstars like Yamal, but in his position, he can change that by just clicking share, which is why its interesting, and frustrating, that he is opting to make headlines rather than do very simple work to help those on the ground.

 

[redios10]

Excuse me for a moment, I'll address the first part later.

He is a multi millionaire footballer for Barcelona, whose fanbase is made up mostly of kids and 18-25, in a country that is overwhelmingly pro-Palestine. He isn't Malcom X or Che Guevara for holding a Palestine flag. Don't romanticise it into something it isn't.

Every aspect of his environment is already pro Palestine. The tiny percentage of people who will criticise him will probably be online fans from other countries, if even that, and definitely nobody who holds actual influence over his career.

At the end of the day he is a person like you, not some hero, he only stands to gain from publicly supporting Palestine. If anything, given his target market, it will probably massively increase his popularity and open more sponsorship deals.

This is so wrong. If we were on the old forum I could quote some of my posts in the old Israel Palestine trend. They are definitely not neutral. although I will write more in the appropriate thread so I don't go further off topic here.

Why immediately assume that I am pretending to be neutral, why do you think that is an act? The actual meaning of my post had nothing really to do with Israel and Palestine at all, it was just incidental because that was the topic.

But if you read again you will see it is more a comment on morality and how it works in modern society, rather than anything specific to this issue. Especially for very wealthy and famous people, purely symbolic acts can invite suspicion, given how easy and low effort it would be to also contribute materially at the same time.

This is one of the cases where his unique position means he can effect significant change with even less effort than it took to wave the flag. That makes me wonder why he's not doing it given how desperate the need is for it.

Palestinian fundraising efforts at the moment are hitting a wall and I have seen some cases online where support groups are mentioning the reduced rate of donation is forcing them to cut back their work. There are disabled children etc trying to crowdfund treatment. Me and you are not world famous superstars like Yamal, but in his position, he can change that by just clicking share, which is why its interesting, and frustrating, that he is opting to make headlines rather than do very simple work to help those on the ground.

if supporting the Palestinian cause gains him praise, that's a great thing. I would love it other high profile figures proudly supported them in the public eye. His public support is much more important than some donation. You writing essays to attack Lamine literally hurts the cause so you're either very misguided or are simply attacking him in bad faith. From my experience, the "i support your cause but you're going about it the wrong way" is typical right strategy to tamp down on civil rights movement. its always a game of goal post moving. thats what you're doing rn

 

[IniestaGOAT]

Yamals got a gigantic set of balls
You plebs cant relate

 

[Co0ter]

Yeah imo he shouldn't have. The only flags he should have waved is the Barca one - and I'm coming from a place where I 100% support Catalonia. Flags might matter in the Palestine movement, but throwing out Hamas should have mattered more... Also, stop making this a question of semitism/antisemitism - you're in deep water bro.

I usually dont get involved in this type of shit, but they literally wiped Gaza off the face of the planet. It's not even a figure of speech either. They wiped out cities worth of neighborhoods, schools, hospitals, parks, housing... it's literally all gone. I'm all for chasing out Hamas etc but destroying an entire province to do so seems a bit odd, doesnt it? Perhaps lacking a little imagination?

Arguing over football is one thing, being indifferent to thousands of civilians being killed or displaced from their homes who were mostly just trying to get up, go to work and live their lives is another. Life can be hard enough at times as it is.

 

[redios10]

I usually dont get involved in this type of shit, but they literally wiped Gaza off the face of the planet. It's not even a figure of speech either. They wiped out cities worth of neighborhoods, schools, hospitals, parks, housing... it's literally all gone. I'm all for chasing out Hamas etc but destroying an entire province to do so seems a bit odd, doesnt it? Perhaps lacking a little imagination?

Arguing over football is one thing, being indifferent to thousands of civilians being killed or displaced from their homes who were mostly just trying to get up, go to work and live their lives is another. Life can be hard enough at times as it is.

we're witnessing a modern day genocide and he's out there talking about "throwing out hamas should matter more". what a dumbass statement

 

[MightyBarca]

we're witnessing a modern day genocide and he's out there talking about "throwing out hamas should matter more". what a dumbass statement

He's a massive cunt.

 

[DonAK]

I think he's right. Yamal can do this in his own time. He has a huge platform so if he wants to use it for good he can.

When Laporta can do this then why the criticism for Lamine?

Should be the same for everyone no?

Look at Flick's agent and you'll see why he want to stay away from the topic.

 

[ajnotkeith]

When Laporta can do this then why the criticism for Lamine?

Should be the same for everyone no?

Look at Flick's agent and you'll see why he want to stay away from the topic.

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As others point out, Flick was at the Catalonia Palestine friendly. Zahavi other than being Israeli doesn't have any obvious links to the West Bank, Israeli military or government etc.

Its possible he gave that answer to protect his relationships, but I doubt it's motivated by that. His main goal as a manager is to coach a winning team and 99% he just wants to separate activism from football.

Laporta waving the Israeli flag here is symbolic in the same way and yes, quite ridiculous. But again, he probably couldn't care less about the politics and is simply trying to promote Barca initiatives in Israel and bring in business from there, so it is performative in the exact same way. He is a clown but I think its a reach to think its any kind of support or endorsement of Israel's occupation rather than wholly self interested on the part of the club.

Keep in mind nobody has said Yamal can't do that or said he should be restricted from doing it. As Flick says, he's an adult and it's his choice.

 

[redios10]

As others point out, Flick was at the Catalonia Palestine friendly. Zahavi other than being Israeli doesn't have any obvious links to the West Bank, Israeli military or government etc.

Its possible he gave that answer to protect his relationships, but I doubt it's motivated by that. His main goal as a manager is to coach a winning team and 99% he just wants to separate activism from football.

Laporta waving the Israeli flag here is symbolic in the same way and yes, quite ridiculous. But again, he probably couldn't care less about the politics and is simply trying to promote Barca initiatives in Israel and bring in business from there, so it is performative in the exact same way. He is a clown but I think its a reach to think its any kind of support or endorsement of Israel's occupation rather than wholly self interested on the part of the club.

Keep in mind nobody has said Yamal can't do that or said he should be restricted from doing it. As Flick says, he's an adult and it's his choice.

a huge part of Israel's current identity is their occupation of plaestinian land, apartheid state, and genocide. any endorsement of them implies an acceptance of those sins. its like saying endorsement of nazi germany during the holocaust is not an endorsement of the holocaust itself. its a completely ludicrous idea

 

[Dynamic_posession]

Lucho had prime MSN with Barca and now endless funding at QSG. The comparisons of his achievements with Flick, who didn't get one personal transfer wish granted, are ridiculous. We can all assume what Lucho would have achieved in Paris without his transfers.

Nowhere did I mention he is better than Flick or would’ve done better with current squad. What I am saying is he would be my preferred choice by far to replace Flick once he leaves the club in 2 years. Lucho has unmatched energy and most importantly, his team does the most homework in my opinion out of any coaching staffs I’ve ever seen. They are pure optimizer and I will bet on him and his team to evolve tactically as well as keep on improving the team physically every year. He is my bet to win us multiple CLs as I don’t see his team declining (our MSN team declined simply because the front 3 stopped pressing after first season).

 

[BJJ]

FUCK ISRAEL, FUCK ZIONISM.

I ALWAYS FIND IT HILARIOUS WHEN RW EUROPEANS BLEAT ON ABOUT HOW ISLAM HAS " INFILTRATED " EUROPE.
THE CLOWNS FAIL TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEYVE ALREADY BEEN INFILTRATED AND THEIR WHOLE POLITICS, MEDIA, FINANCE,ENTERTAINMENT IS OWNED BY THE ZIONISTS.
FUCKING JOKE,REALLY.

 

[Loki]

Can you open a new thread away from sports and write your diarrhea there, so people who visit Barca threads for sporting reasons can actually read them without throwing up their breakfast? Much appreciated.

 

[Barcaman]

When Laporta can do this then why the criticism for Lamine?

Should be the same for everyone no?

Look at Flick's agent and you'll see why he want to stay away from the topic.

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Entirely different. This is a closed event. Probably Laporta held other flags too and would. We all know he'd do anything for money.
I still hate it though.

People need to get out of their tribal camps and think for themselves a bit. I am first one who is against Israel and pro-Palestine but there is notning brave there and itbis kinda disrespectful towards Barca and everyone else.

It's a Barca title celebration event. You can support Palestine any other day all you want. And I would like to see him and others do it actually.

 

[BJJ]

Entirely different. This is a closed event. Probably Laporta held other flags too and would. We all know he'd do anything for money.
I still hate it though.

People need to get out of their tribal camps and think for themselves a bit. I am first one who is against Israel and pro-Palestine but there is notning brave there and itbis kinda disrespectful towards Barca and everyone else.

It's a Barca title celebration event. You can support Palestine any other day all you want. And I would like to see him and others do it actually.

I agree. Im pro Palestine but seems weird to suddenly start flying the Palestine flag in a league title celebration.

 

[thestig]

Hansi is a hypocrite, this happened under his him.

 

[thestig]

Can you open a new thread away from sports and write your diarrhea there, so people who visit Barca threads for sporting reasons can actually read them without throwing up their breakfast? Much appreciated.

This thread is a perfect example why politics should stay out of sport. Instead of celebrating the title guys are arguing about things that have nothing to do with our club or sport.

 

[Windhook]

Sportists should stay away from politics. It creates additional distraction, pressure and controversy a player at the level of Lamine doesn't need. That's what Hansi meant - whether the kid is ready to face the consequences of this political act. I think not. Al Jazeera hails him as a hero, Israelis are angry. At the end of the day nothing changes, but the view on Lamine by the people who support him and not everyone is on the Gaza ship.

Personally I find using club's title celebrations as platform inappropriate. Even though Barca are immune to politics - Laporta has hugged Jews, Arabs, he'd hug a Martian, if they arrive with cash.