JamDav1982
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Both can be true.
Flick can have had a lot more to work with than some make out but also improved what is there and done a brilliant job.
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Both can be true.
Flick can have had a lot more to work with than some make out but also improved what is there and done a brilliant job.
tru. But Lucho had maybe that as well and additionally freedom to mold team close to vision with funds disposable.
The argument looks at current season as well.
For me close between lucho and flick. Leaning a bit towards Flick. But PSG winning CL back to back so will flip to Lucho end of May.
JamDav1982
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But Lucho is also held to different standards and he has had to win the CL to be recognised as the best.
He has made Dembele a balondor winner and Vitinha into best midfielder in world for large parts and changed whole culture of that team.
Barca also went one season without winning league before Flick and PSG went their history without winning CL before Lucho.
It's definitely between these two.
kompany and arteta might have an argument should either win the CL.
It's just the whole flick is managing scrums argument I'm pushing back against
Scrums it’s not. And many did consider that we could have good talent coming through but with idea of building towards something. But don’t think anyone even entertained idea we’d win La Liga in first season.
JamDav1982
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In terms of bookies Barca would still have been fairly close to Real in terms of odds.
While PSG would have been nowhere near that to win CL once Mbappe left and Dembele main man up top.
The difference with Lucho at PSG is that they abandoned the star player signings and gave it more to coaching and developing a system.
Most of the players they brought in had some question marks really.
Flick has been amazing but job Lucho has done at PSG pips it to date.
ajnotkeith
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Enrique has massive resources but it's also about getting the best of them and knowing how to build a team and project.
Coming from someone who didn't rate him that highly before PSG. But he implemented a perfect vision and changed their club entirely.
Of course having the freedom and funds to do that is one thing, but I also don't think most managers would be capable of getting the best out of the players they have.
Massively behind Flick, but I do think until Flick does more in Europe he would be a bit behind Enrique for now, because the league was a more attainable target for us. Although winning it back to back and the style in which he's done it is also very important.
ajnotkeith
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The constant negativity surrounding the squad was a major reason people started to underrate it.
Xavi giving a press conference 'telling the truth' that we would not be able to compete with Madrid anymore was the cherry on top. But in that whole season there had been effort from him to devalue the squad and players and make out they are not good enough.
Flick still inherited a lot of talent that was capable of winning the league but its also the manager who organises and gets the most out of them, and Madrid were objectively favourites to win both of these league titles.
Being the best almost always demands trophies. Lots of people consider Yamal the best player but without CL or WC he will always be one step behind.
Same goes for managers. You are comparing different things. Lucho is rated after how he beats the others, ie winning trophies, while Flick is rated after what level his team plays based on the quality, ie "beating the odds".
Flick needs to top it off with a CL because as good as you are, the CL is the cherry on the cake of your project.
Just watch the video.
IniestaGOAT
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Dont compare Flick to Lucho
Different levels of manager
Lucho is at the top. By himself
Different levels of manager
Lucho is at the top. By himself
JamDav1982
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Xavi fan boy giddy can be negative about Flick.
Bit like how Flick should have been learning from Xabi earlier in season..
Laugh emoji below if a dumb yank. Its an order.
MonteCuler
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This Bayern-PSG tie was the blueprint for direction in which football is moving
And it is why Flick was a genius hiring. Because he is the man who has perhaps mastered this kind of extreme attacking football that we have seen in the first leg
Striker, fullbacks, centrebacks. We will be on the level of this Bayern. And even better by some margin. Can't say anything for PSG, they are a different story
And it is why Flick was a genius hiring. Because he is the man who has perhaps mastered this kind of extreme attacking football that we have seen in the first leg
Striker, fullbacks, centrebacks. We will be on the level of this Bayern. And even better by some margin. Can't say anything for PSG, they are a different story
You can't really reach that level without the proper players... I doubt we can achieve that without any quality signings...
What about the 2nd leg? Seems like we end up with only the extreme part and not much of the control PSG displayed in defense tonight.
I cannot believe how people shit on Flick. No financially backing, injuries, shit defence, var and refs against us but yeah right, Flick is shit.
Funny how Pep and Lucho only manage gazillion euro squads. If Lucho is such a magician, let him come back and manage this squad. He got rattled by the Spanish press here despite having a star studded squad. He's improved as a coach but not that much. The fact is that fat cunt Laporta gave Xavi too much and Flick nothing. Our winter signing was a loan from the Saudi league. As soon as we go through a rough patch rumour mill goes into overdrive about sacking Flick.
If Lucho came back that cunt Laporta would back him with signings similar to Xavi. Any foreign coach gets a hard time and no backing. This club is so insular and narrow minded. Why don't we just become the next fucking Bilbao.
Hope Flick walks at the end of the season. This job is a poisoned chalice.
Funny how Pep and Lucho only manage gazillion euro squads. If Lucho is such a magician, let him come back and manage this squad. He got rattled by the Spanish press here despite having a star studded squad. He's improved as a coach but not that much. The fact is that fat cunt Laporta gave Xavi too much and Flick nothing. Our winter signing was a loan from the Saudi league. As soon as we go through a rough patch rumour mill goes into overdrive about sacking Flick.
If Lucho came back that cunt Laporta would back him with signings similar to Xavi. Any foreign coach gets a hard time and no backing. This club is so insular and narrow minded. Why don't we just become the next fucking Bilbao.
Hope Flick walks at the end of the season. This job is a poisoned chalice.
JamDav1982
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PSG were forced into sitting back at times it happens when two good teams who want ball are up against one another.
PSG also sat back a bit in first leg later on and wen from 5-2 to 5-4 and conceded tonight doing it also.
Not as simple as that just being way to see out a game either.
Yeah, let Lucho manage a club with less money. Lucho has suddenly become the next saviour.
It's also an example of how to close out a game when you have a 1 goal lead and 2 minutes left.
Don't forget that part.
Amongst other things already highlighted by serg.