Jenks
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Serie A is about 30% Italian.
Europa League 25/26
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JamDav1982
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Because they dont have the money to bring in better players for most part.
Reals CL winning side of last decade did not have many Spaniards in it. None of their top players were.
Madrid has never been a club that focuses on their youth academy which is how most Spanish clubs promote Spanish players to the senior team.
Certainly not in modern memory
You have a iker, raul etc but they have always been about buying players.
Terrible example.
Teams like Valencia back in the team, Villarreal etc always had a strong core of Spanish players with signings to compliment like ayala for Valencia so on and so for.
So it in no ways is simply only down to they don't have the money.
Certainly not in modern memory
You have a iker, raul etc but they have always been about buying players.
Terrible example.
Teams like Valencia back in the team, Villarreal etc always had a strong core of Spanish players with signings to compliment like ayala for Valencia so on and so for.
So it in no ways is simply only down to they don't have the money.
JamDav1982
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No it is a very good example of how teams with money can spend it in any league.
Splendid example.
Some like Barca will focus more on youth than others.. as Wenger says Barca have a very unique situation with that also in the City and surrounding area while Real and Barca can compete for vast majority of top talents in Spain between them.
It is down to many things and money being a huge factor.
It is also harder for EPL teams to hoard talent in leagues and much more competitive for who can sign talent emerging.
Also teams have so much money and no clauses they can outright refuse to sell at times.
See Kane to City.
If in England there is no way transfer like Joan Garcia happens with no clause.
Who cares who Valencia has 20 years ago?
Man Utd won CL with core of English then also.
Splendid example.
Some like Barca will focus more on youth than others.. as Wenger says Barca have a very unique situation with that also in the City and surrounding area while Real and Barca can compete for vast majority of top talents in Spain between them.
It is down to many things and money being a huge factor.
It is also harder for EPL teams to hoard talent in leagues and much more competitive for who can sign talent emerging.
Also teams have so much money and no clauses they can outright refuse to sell at times.
See Kane to City.
If in England there is no way transfer like Joan Garcia happens with no clause.
Who cares who Valencia has 20 years ago?
Man Utd won CL with core of English then also.
thestig
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Yeah and that's why they didn't won many titles in La Liga. It's not like they took it easy and won, they lost so how is that an argument?
te amo barca
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For its money, EPL is a terrible product to watch. The actual entertainment factor of the league. Been discussed to death by EPL fans themselves this season, pundits, analysts, players, ex-players, managers, and so on.
malvolio
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Overpriced? Yes, but that has been the case since forever.
Terrible product? The fuck you on about? Just because most of the big six are faltering right now, for different reasons, doesn't mean the league is terrible.
te amo barca
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It's not about the big 6 but lack of attacking quality, sterile football and reliance on set pieces.
From an article published on March 3:
"Through 28 weeks, Premier League teams have combined for 505 open-play goals -- the fewest since the 2020-21 pandemic season. And if we remove that one season in the history of England's top flight when there were no fans in the stands, then this is the lowest-scoring season from open play since 2009-10.
Teams have only put 1,659 open-play shots on target so far this season -- by far the lowest in Opta's 17-season dataset, and 300-plus shots fewer than in either of the past two seasons.
Prefer pretty passing to goalmouth action? Well, you've been bored to death this year, too: teams have completed 48,248 open-play passes in the attacking third. That's the lowest since 2011-12 and nearly 10,000 fewer than we saw either last year or the year before."
JamDav1982
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Nah there is not a lack of attacking quality.
Likes of Arsenal have been turgid.. but Atletico like that near on every season.
Lack of quality while attacking players at clubs like Bournemouth and Palace are being linked with the biggest clubs going.
There is far more attacking quality in that league across the board than any other is the reality.
It is not as exciting as folk think to see likes of Bayern, Barca, PSG pump poorer teams in first gear as often see.
Also most years there is a tight league race. The titles in other countries been done for weeks.
Have likes of Atletico in Spain more or less downing tools in league for CL as no threat to falling out top 4.
Real more or less chucked it for last while also and going through motions.
That is boring as fuck.
Likes of Arsenal have been turgid.. but Atletico like that near on every season.
Lack of quality while attacking players at clubs like Bournemouth and Palace are being linked with the biggest clubs going.
There is far more attacking quality in that league across the board than any other is the reality.
It is not as exciting as folk think to see likes of Bayern, Barca, PSG pump poorer teams in first gear as often see.
Also most years there is a tight league race. The titles in other countries been done for weeks.
Have likes of Atletico in Spain more or less downing tools in league for CL as no threat to falling out top 4.
Real more or less chucked it for last while also and going through motions.
That is boring as fuck.
I don't particularly enjoy the EPL but I enjoy the LaLiga mid level even less.
It's pretty obvious that right now EPL across the board is a stronger league than Spain.
Let's look at this weekends Conference League final where you have the mid level of Spain against the mid-lower of EPL. The quality difference will be immense, though Spains next great managerial export may be able to close the gap.
But deeper than that, it is the 3/4 club of the Madrid capital against the 6/7 or so club of London capital which really signifies the difference of spending, support and equitable fan support that being in England and London has over being in LaLiga and even Madrid.
In all logical senses the third team of Madrid should have decent fan support, stadia, investment and squad quality but it has none of those.
It's pretty obvious that right now EPL across the board is a stronger league than Spain.
Let's look at this weekends Conference League final where you have the mid level of Spain against the mid-lower of EPL. The quality difference will be immense, though Spains next great managerial export may be able to close the gap.
But deeper than that, it is the 3/4 club of the Madrid capital against the 6/7 or so club of London capital which really signifies the difference of spending, support and equitable fan support that being in England and London has over being in LaLiga and even Madrid.
In all logical senses the third team of Madrid should have decent fan support, stadia, investment and squad quality but it has none of those.
Jamologist
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When something sucks, there's always a lot to say about it.
malvolio
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Isi Palazon will have to carry the LL reputation on his back!
You make a list of the 20 best players in the world currently and 3-4 play in EPL at most. Even that is generous. Great EPL sensation Cole Palmer didn't make the squad for World Cup.
EPL is a league with high medians and lows, but uninspiring or modest highs. Other leagues have worse midtable and bottom table sides, but the top is filled with elite players that you just don't find in EPL except very rarely.
Pick what works for you. For my taste in football it always has been La Liga and then EPL. Klopp - Pep battle spiked my interest in EPL but it was short lived.
EPL is a league with high medians and lows, but uninspiring or modest highs. Other leagues have worse midtable and bottom table sides, but the top is filled with elite players that you just don't find in EPL except very rarely.
Pick what works for you. For my taste in football it always has been La Liga and then EPL. Klopp - Pep battle spiked my interest in EPL but it was short lived.
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JamDav1982
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Take a look at leagues that has players throughout that can play for top teams and its EPL by a country mile.
As said before folk watch EPL.. will comment on players who Barca could sign from likes of Bournemouth and Leeds while barely having a clue who plays on wing in mid La Liga sides.
It goes in cycles who the best teams and players are at and most of them will move to Barca/Real if they can.
As said before folk watch EPL.. will comment on players who Barca could sign from likes of Bournemouth and Leeds while barely having a clue who plays on wing in mid La Liga sides.
It goes in cycles who the best teams and players are at and most of them will move to Barca/Real if they can.
malvolio
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I'd believe you if your opinion wouldn't be based on watching only Madrid and Barca games, plus occasionally some Atletico games. There's nothing beyond that at the moment in LL.
I'm not really a fan of EPL, but they propose an overall better product. You have real drama there, with clubs like Tottenham and West Ham fighting relegation in the last fixture. You have a great side like Aston Villa finishing 5th.
LL is favoured by geography, since the very top players are usually of latin origins and anyone and their dog would like to play for Barca or Madrid at some point in their career.
And who said La Liga's strength is down to likes of Villareal, Betis, Celta etc.? I always said EPL is stronger in the median and bottom section than any other league and the difference is clear.
If you want to see top mid table football EPL is the league to follow. Few people have the time to watch more than 3-4 matches in a weekend. I want to see the best players and most fun managers in action so I don't have time for EPL anymore. No Salah, no De Bruyne, no prime Van Dijk, no Klopp, no Pep. It's a pass, the elite quality is not there anymore.
Inflated players like Isak, Wirtz, Doku, Palmer and whatnot. They had a strong period with Pep and Klopp at their peaks and some top class players, but it has passed.
Next season the most enticing and interesting question is how will Flick Barcelona do, and what will Mourinho be up to in order to change the downward trajectory and locker-room fights of Madrid.
JamDav1982
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The EPL is far far better league.
As said the top 5-6 in Europe will come and go between a couple EPL teams and Bayerm, PSG, Barca and Real for most part.
At moment it has been PSG and then Arsenal/Bayern as best few.
The EPL is just infinitely more interesting with title races, top 4, relegation battles and number of teams that compete in Europe.
Folk across world care more as the EPL has international players more across all teams. Have more fanbases world wide.
No one nearly to dame level gives a fuck about Atletico tanking games as have top 4 sewn up or Villareal/Betis being in those spots either.
Barca I would fancy to beat Arsenal.. but they need to get far enough to play these better teams and prove it. Which will come.
As said the top 5-6 in Europe will come and go between a couple EPL teams and Bayerm, PSG, Barca and Real for most part.
At moment it has been PSG and then Arsenal/Bayern as best few.
The EPL is just infinitely more interesting with title races, top 4, relegation battles and number of teams that compete in Europe.
Folk across world care more as the EPL has international players more across all teams. Have more fanbases world wide.
No one nearly to dame level gives a fuck about Atletico tanking games as have top 4 sewn up or Villareal/Betis being in those spots either.
Barca I would fancy to beat Arsenal.. but they need to get far enough to play these better teams and prove it. Which will come.
JamDav1982
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So was watching Barca under Xavi but when won it was big news and exciting for Barca fans to see trophies won.
Atelti compete in La Liga playing like that all the time also.
Folk mistake the interest in watching games with Arsenal in EPL with how 'exciting' it can be.
What is at stake matters and far more interesting games with Arsenal even if play mechanical stye.
Its actually been a bit refreshing in a way seeing a team win that isnt a Pep mould trying to replicate what he does.