Ernesto Valverde

Joan

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Worth doing it all over again, just for the honour of opening the maestro’s thread.

And welcome, welcome cries of voice
Let all my guests come in

And no one knows where the night is going,
And no one knows where the wine is flowing

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For those of you who don’t remember, Ernesto Valverde was a manager who brought stability, control, wisdom, and a lot of silverware, really a lot, when it was needed most. He stepped into a side free falling after its most successful era, people were worried, very worried, and he delivered when almost nobody expected him to. A huge job, a difficult moment, and he handled it beautifully, absolutely beautifully. His first season brought a dominant domestic double, and I mean dominant, including a Primera campaign that saw Barca go on a remarkable 43 game unbeaten run. Incredible consistency, one of the best you’ll ever see.

He followed it up with back to back La Liga titles, very important, alongside a Copa del Rey and a Spanish Super Cup. Trophies, trophies everywhere. Exactly what you want, and he kept delivering, year after year, no drama, just results.

Under Valverde, the team was defined by control, efficiency, and consistency. Very controlled football, very smart, very disciplined. He managed big personalities, not easy, some very big personalities, and he maintained balance, kept everything running smoothly, and kept the club competing at the highest level the entire time. A lot of people couldn’t have done it, but he did it, and he did it well.

A tenure built on results, composure, and quiet excellence. Maybe too quiet for some, they like noise, they like chaos, but he just kept winning. Some say that on Barcaforum his fame was so great that people started a cult, a real cult, and I believe it. Remnants of it will be studied for centuries. People are saying it, many people.
 
Why do we need his thread? This guy is finished already. Not sure if he'll find a new job after Bilbao

It's a miracle he found a new job after Barça too. Probably because of his history with Bilbao. Bottling 3 goal leads in consecutive seasons in UCL knockouts is actually an unbelievable thing to do. People forgot just how insane that achievement is.
 
Not to mention having the best player in history on his team yet managing to serve up a style of play capable of making even a small kitten fall asleep. 💪
 
Now that the dust has settled, interesting to see the similarities between Mister and Flick with their first two seasons.

Both came in after Madrid had just won LL/CL double and with low expectations at Barca after underwhelming transfer windows.

-Two league titles won in convincing fashion
-1 CL QF exit, 1 SF exit with individual errors playing a big role
-1 Copa
-Dominating clasicos
 
Now that the dust has settled, interesting to see the similarities between Mister and Flick with their first two seasons.

Both came in after Madrid had just won LL/CL double and with low expectations at Barca after underwhelming transfer windows.

-Two league titles won in convincing fashion
-1 CL QF exit, 1 SF exit with individual errors playing a big role
-1 Copa
-Dominating clasicos
What they don't have in common:

- Bottling 3 goal leads in second leg for two seasons in a row
- Messi, Suarez, Pique...
- Money (more spent on Dembele/Coutinho alone than Flick did in all his time here)
 
- Messi, Suarez, Pique...
- Money (more spent on Dembele/Coutinho alone than Flick did in all his time here)
Old, declining, and keeping the squad hostage of their enormous egos.

Money invested against his wishes to worsen the club. Let’s not forget we just lost Neymar and the only player we got that he asked for was Paulinho.

Which was a resounding success.

Valverde should really consider a career as an SD. There’d be no stopping us.
 
What they don't have in common:

- Bottling 3 goal leads in second leg for two seasons in a row
- Messi, Suarez, Pique...
- Money (more spent on Dembele/Coutinho alone than Flick did in all his time here)
-Flick fell behind too quickly to even get a lead apart from 2-3 minutes vs Inter
-Dembele was injured and other money was spent poorly
-Suarez, Pique, Busi were past their best. Strength of squads is pretty debatable. I’ll just say that if Setien replaced Flick tomorrow, I don’t think he would lose 8-2 in a match with current Barca squad against 2020 Bayern or any team itw.
 
-Flick fell behind too quickly to even get a lead apart from 2-3 minutes vs Inter
-Dembele was injured and other money was spent poorly
-Suarez, Pique, Busi were past their best. Strength of squads is pretty debatable. I’ll just say that if Setien replaced Flick tomorrow, I don’t think he would lose 8-2 in a match with current Barca squad against 2020 Bayern or any team itw.
So in your opinion it's better getting a 3-0 lead and then losing than playing an even tie with a top side and narrowly losing out?
 
So in your opinion it's better getting a 3-0 lead and then losing than playing an even tie with a top side and narrowly losing out?
Wouldn't say it's clearly better or worse. Inter and Atletico of last two seasons aren't top sides either. Better than 18 Roma but also clearly worse than 19 Liverpool or top sides of today like PSG.
 
Wouldn't say it's clearly better or worse. Inter and Atletico of last two seasons aren't top sides either. Better than 18 Roma but also clearly worse than 19 Liverpool or top sides of today like PSG.
Inter absolutely was a top team when we met them. Result in the final changes nothing. Everybody knows Inter played at 5-10℅ their level that entire season in that game. For many reasons including fatigue, morale loss after league debacle.
 
EV had the right approach tactically. His failure is he didn't challenge anything in the locker room. Whatever issues he found he avoided them and a top manager would not let things slide like he did. He preferred being liked than being truly respected as a leader because being liked was easier.

Eventually, his non-confrontational approach cultivated an amigo culture which was a key factor in us getting embarrassed in Europe. History will remember him as an average Barcelona manager.
 
Barca were humiliated in Europe long before EV, 2013 Semifinals happened, losing 2 away games with 0-4 & 0-3 happened under Lucho too, losing to a vastly inferior Atletico happened before him twice too. Even Pep had a massive issue in the results of away games in comparison to home.
EV didn't fix that, but he wasn't the key to it. And neither was he given the authority to change things.
Look at Alonso and Madrid, ability to fix things is handed from the board to the manager, not the other way around
 
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