Do you think it's a good season?
- Thread starter MonteCuler
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Only sour point for me was CL exit. With a bi of luck and some better players and tactics I think we could have made semis.
Flick has made some mistakes bt I give him a very solid 8.
Look at the extenuating circumstances. First shitty refs in both CL and la liga .
Second injuries to crucial players at the wrong time. This has happened frequently.
Third the sheer lack of investment in the squad. I remember someone saying we were 43rd in Europe in terms of spending in the past two seasons. That is fucking mind boggling. It means European minnows are out spending us.
Funny how people pine for Pep and Lucho when those two are throwing the kitchen sink at the market. When you look at all 4 CL semi finalists, all 4 have spent large sums on their squad including those cheap skates Bayern.
Flick has made some mistakes bt I give him a very solid 8.
Look at the extenuating circumstances. First shitty refs in both CL and la liga .
Second injuries to crucial players at the wrong time. This has happened frequently.
Third the sheer lack of investment in the squad. I remember someone saying we were 43rd in Europe in terms of spending in the past two seasons. That is fucking mind boggling. It means European minnows are out spending us.
Funny how people pine for Pep and Lucho when those two are throwing the kitchen sink at the market. When you look at all 4 CL semi finalists, all 4 have spent large sums on their squad including those cheap skates Bayern.
Flick is underappreciated here. This squad needs SERIOUS regeneration. Im talking a minimum of 4 quality players. He cannot be expected to keep producing when they don't provide him the basic material. In a perfect world the entire defence would be replaced. In reality I can only see Araujo and maybe Kounde leaving if there are good offers.
JamDav1982
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The 'Kings Cup' is the Copa Del Rey.
Loki
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Aside from the discussion, this thread alone is sadly evidence of how the expectation changed. 20 years ago, there would never have been a doubt, even a discussion about a season being good or not if you win LaLiga. It would have been always celebrated. But now with Social Media, where everyone and everything gets ridiculed if they're not winning the CL and the league each year, it changed because too many became slaves of the Social Media culture and hype.
RedxMAK
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Tbf though, this type of disappointment is due to the insane success Barcelona had in the Champions League between 2005-15. Many people who started supporting Barcelona in that period thought that, the success garnered in that decade was the norm for Barcelona and not the exception. Although, it was the exception since Barcelona's record in the Champions League outside that decade reads 4 finals, 10 semifinals, 8 quarterfinals, 4 2nd round exits, 5 group stage exits and 1 UCL won. Not the best of records for a club of our stature but what can you do. The more you win and the more you are accustomed to success, the more you expect to win. Also, this is also made worse by the fact our biggest rivals managed to win the CL 5 times which is the total we won in our entire history. Harsh.
Almost.
7/8 for winning league but looking at certain factors for me. Situation coming on, entertainment value, expectations.
It’s a back-to-back league win and barca still entertaining to watch. Also still on track for 100 point season.
Xavi gets 8 for me in la liga winning season as well. Managed to do it in first full season at a club a bit at chaos as well and won it convincingly. First big club gig.
RedxMAK
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There were insane celebrations in the club when we managed to win our 17th title in 2005. It was our first trophy in 6 years at the time and little did we know, it was the start of one of the greatest footballing dynasties of all time.
MonteCuler
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I don't know guys, it's probably time to raise the standards. With all due respect to league titles we won
League is something we have more or less dominated over the past 2-3 decades. Most fans, including me, are very satisfied with this but we would simply like to see that next leap and do something in the CL. And if not win it, at least go as far as we can - which this season and last was 100℅ the finals
People on here know I'm probably one of the biggest Flick supporters. What he has done is remarkable. But we still follow the same standards. I understand our financial situation very well, but we did have the quality to knock out both Atleti and Arsenal
The elimination was very unfortunate and several things just didn't go our way. Which is why I don't even blame Flick, who I think actually prepared 2 very good games. But this keeps happening every year, so we have to ask ourselves is it really misfortune or something else involved
I don't know if I was too harsh with giving this season a 6. Maybe yeah. It's probably a 7, that's the most fair rating. But people saying 8 and 9, I don't know what is wrong with you guys
Last season a very solid 8 because we won domestic treble and were minutes away from CL final. It would be a 9 if we lost the final to PSG. And it would be a 10 if we won it all. And this season is clearly worse than the last, in terms of results
League is something we have more or less dominated over the past 2-3 decades. Most fans, including me, are very satisfied with this but we would simply like to see that next leap and do something in the CL. And if not win it, at least go as far as we can - which this season and last was 100℅ the finals
People on here know I'm probably one of the biggest Flick supporters. What he has done is remarkable. But we still follow the same standards. I understand our financial situation very well, but we did have the quality to knock out both Atleti and Arsenal
The elimination was very unfortunate and several things just didn't go our way. Which is why I don't even blame Flick, who I think actually prepared 2 very good games. But this keeps happening every year, so we have to ask ourselves is it really misfortune or something else involved
I don't know if I was too harsh with giving this season a 6. Maybe yeah. It's probably a 7, that's the most fair rating. But people saying 8 and 9, I don't know what is wrong with you guys
Last season a very solid 8 because we won domestic treble and were minutes away from CL final. It would be a 9 if we lost the final to PSG. And it would be a 10 if we won it all. And this season is clearly worse than the last, in terms of results
ajnotkeith
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This is why CL is so hard, because one bad game can ruin your whole season, it massively increases variance.
One thing going wrong, like a red card, or injuries or mistakes in one tie, can knock you out even if you're the best team in general. So to win it you need a lot of things to go right for you and you need to know how to manage chance.
Unless you are clearly the best team in the world, its hard to have a good chance at winning it in every given season given you have to knock out 3 or 4 opponents in a row of roughly similar level to you, and anything could go wrong.
Whereas in the league over a 38 game sample its much easier to limit freak events or mistakes.
So in the CL experienced players are often important, they know how to play their cards and manage game situations, which cost us. A more experienced player than Cubarsi would know to simply give up the goal there and not handicap the team. We have a very young squad which sometimes doesn't manage high pressure situations well.
If we want to win it next season we need to bring in experience as well as having a strong squad. Inter made 2 CL finals and largely with aging players, many of whom were rejects from the Prem or other worse teams, but they had a massive amount of experience and maturity.
malvolio
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This plus what I've kept repeating on here - LL is dead from a competitiveness point of view. It's either Madrid or Barca to win it, with Atletico getting one every 10 years. Then there is a huge gap, with other meaningless teams. Top 3 is the same, year on year.
JamDav1982
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Yet you never claimed this when amigos won titles and it was the same..
I enjoy shutting down malovio as much as the next guy, but la liga up until 7 years ago seemed to have stronger midtable teams. Likes of Sevilla, Valencia, Bilbao, Celta not even shadow of former self.
But maybe lower side teams improved or European results point to other truth.
It's a good season based on how we crushed RM in Liga and Supercopa. But once again it's with a bitter "what could have been" in CL. It's been a few years now that we go out due to bad decisions and not due to lack of quality. It's usually 1-2 players deciding the tie with mistakes rather than the whole team being lacklustre and not up to level.
The way we went out to Atleti was very bitter as there were lots of what-ifs. What if Cubarsi didn't get a red card? What if we had scored one of the many chances we had despite being a man down? What if we had been content with 0-1 at home with 10 men instead of conceding a counter?
Cubarsi's initial mistake forced Flick to gamble, a gamble that didn't pay off.
The way we went out to Atleti was very bitter as there were lots of what-ifs. What if Cubarsi didn't get a red card? What if we had scored one of the many chances we had despite being a man down? What if we had been content with 0-1 at home with 10 men instead of conceding a counter?
Cubarsi's initial mistake forced Flick to gamble, a gamble that didn't pay off.