5 - Pau Cubarsí

jamrock said:
That's almost how we concede every goal though.

Someone fucks up the trap or an attacking run comes from deep and defeats the trap.

If we played it perfectly we would almost never concede.

Pros & cons of the system,someone makes a mistake and it's a clear 1v1 with the keeper a fair amount of times

Which is why it would be smart to adjust the line especially in bigger games,but that's a conversation for another day.
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The offside trap, the way we relied on it so much, was a shite idea to begin with. We overused it so much it confused the players so we can't even do it properly even when it's the right approach. We set ourselves up for failure with it.

Tactically, the killing blow for Flick and his system is how robotic it is. It's like, we do this by default, come what may. When in reality, you do things based on what happens on the pitch in a set of given conditions.

It's a common template for purists like Flick. He's more of an idealist than even Guardiola. While the best managers take into account players' limitations in regards to effort and pressing, Flick is constantly surprised and disappointed that players like Rashford and Olmo can't press like he demands. Well, no shite.
 
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serghei said:
The offside trap, the way we relied on it so much, was a shite idea to begin with. We overused it so much it confused the players so we can't even do it properly even when it's the right approach. We set ourselves up for failure with it.

Tactically, the killing blow for Flick and his system is how robotic it is. It's like, we do this by default, come what may. When in reality, you do things based on what happens on the pitch in a set of given conditions.

It's a common template for purists like Flick. He's more of an idealist than even Guardiola. While the best managers take into account players' limitations in regards to effort and pressing, Flick is constantly surprised and disappointed that players like Rashford and Olmo can't press like he demands. Well, no shite.
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Yea I fully agree that he needs to be more situationaly aware going into games and also in game.

But it's a complaint since he's been here, that he doesn't seem to value and it's what will hold him back from possibley winning the CL.

Not even the very best teams didn't adapt to their opposition on their way to winning in Europe, you can't be that dogmatic in your approach
 
jamrock said:
Yea I fully agree that he needs to be more situationaly aware going into games and also in game.

But it's a complaint since he's been here, that he doesn't seem to value and it's what will hold him back from possibley winning the CL.

Not even the very best teams didn't adapt to their opposition on their way to winning in Europe, you can't be that dogmatic in your approach
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It's not a big issue for me, because I don't think we have a squad to win the CL no matter the manager. So, I take the entertainment Flick style brings at least at domestic level, and I'm overall happy with it.

But you have to be fully aware, that despite Flick being a top manager, there are still better managers around, some who don't fit our style though, and some we can't get.

All those factors make Flick the best manager for us at this moment in time.
 
The only team I see is incapable of beating this season in the CL is PSG if they click. And they haven't really clicked this season.

So we would definitely have the opportunity to make at least the final this year, with better game management by all involved.

So basically like last season
 
Without Raphinha, our best player in big games? AM was 50-50 tie. A big individual fuck-up was enough to clear us out, and make it 20-80 in just 5 minutes. We're nowhere near top 4 come on. More like in the pack behind with Liverpool, AM, Madrid.

At the moment, there's a solid top 3 with PSG leading the pack, then Bayern and Arsenal, then a gap, then Atletico, Barcelona, Madrid and Liverpool on last place.

AM is more of a difficult tie for Arsenal than this version of Barcelona. I don't see any reason why this AM would fear a Barcelona that lacks 2 key players in midfield and attack. None. They showed before they can score a lot of goals vs Flick Barcelona, and will be looking confident in the return leg to beat us again.
 
serghei said:
Without Raphinha, our best player in big games? AM was 50-50 tie. A big individual fuck-up was enough to clear us out, and make it 20-80 in just 5 minutes. We're nowhere near top 4 come on. More like in the pack behind with Liverpool, AM, Madrid.

At the moment, there's a solid top 3 with PSG leading the pack, then Bayern and Arsenal, then a gap, then Atletico, Barcelona, Madrid and Liverpool on last place.

AM is more of a difficult tie for Arsenal than this version of Barcelona.
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Thats assuming raphinha is back, if we got through this tie.

I don't see arsenal as being better than us at this point of the season.

So maybe two teams are better than us right now if everyone is fully fit.
 
jamrock said:
Thats assuming raphinha is back, if we got through this tie.

I don't see arsenal as being better than us at this point of the season.

So maybe two teams are better than us right now if everyone is fully fit.
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He isn't back. He'll be lucky to start vs Madrid, probably going to be on the bench. This AM is the trickiest, hardest team we faced under Flick in CL knockouts to date.

A world beater World Cup winning star in Alvarez, pace from both Lookman and Simeone to spare, good engine in midfield with likes of Lorente... we half-knew this judging by the meltdown when Raphinha's injury was announced.

We hoped somehow Rashford would have an inspiring moment, but he returned to type and when the moment came, he was the loser he is known to be.
 
serghei said:
He isn't back. He'll be lucky to start vs Madrid, probably going to be on the bench. This AM is the trickiest, hardest team we faced under Flick in CL knockouts to date.

A world beater World Cup winning star in Alvarez, pace from both Lookman and Simeone to spare, good engine in midfield with likes of Lorente... we half-knew this judging by the meltdown when Raphinha's injury was announced.

We hoped somehow Rashford would have an inspiring moment, but he returned to type and when the moment came, he was the loser he is known to be.
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Why did I think his injury would be shorter.
It makes things a lot more difficult, but if we get pass AM, I really have 0 fair of arsenal with or without raphinha.

The question is do we want to make the final and face a PSG that is in full gear because that will be a brutal beat down for us.

Bayern would be a closer game that could go either way.
 
CB is the oldest outfield position. Its based much more on experience and smarts and game intelligence. It can take time to build your intuition and your decision making qualities, it's not the same as the athleticism based positions where you see teenagers coming through all the time in senior squads.

You ideally want your CBs to be experienced, 25+, and also having had time to go through extensive physical development.
 
JamDav1982 said:
It was a mistake but he is already one of the best CBs in the world and will go down as an all time great.
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Nah, that wasn't a mistake. A mistake is a bad pass, a 1 vs 1 duel lost to a top attacker, that was a season ruining blunder.

You work your ass off in CL for a year almost, to get into a position to play these games, and players like Araujo, Cubarsi, they piss in the bed once, and you have to throw out the entire mattress.

Maybe he will be one of the best CBs in the world in the future, maybe not. Until then, he is a youngster who is out of his depth at this level.

Sooner or later we will draw some PSG, some Bayern, some elite side in quarters, semis, and we will remember we shat the bed vs Atletico and Inter.
 
His mistake cost us the first leg and part of second leg. Like it or not, a slightly above average CB like Bastoni is still a noticeable improvement over our two Real Betis CB’s
 
His mistake cost us the first leg and part of second leg. Like it or not, a slightly above average CB like Bastoni is still a noticeable improvement over our two Real Betis CB’s
 
serghei said:
Nah, that wasn't a mistake. A mistake is a bad pass, a 1 vs 1 duel lost to a top attacker, that was a season ruining blunder.

You work your ass off in CL for a year almost, to get into a position to play these games, and players like Araujo, Cubarsi, they piss in the bed once, and you have to throw out the entire mattress.

Maybe he will be one of the best CBs in the world in the future, maybe not. Until then, he is a youngster who is out of his depth at this level.

Sooner or later we will draw some PSG, some Bayern, some elite side in quarters, semis, and we will remember we shat the bed vs Atletico and Inter.
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Yes it was a mistake.

He already is one of best CBs in the world.

Nowhere near 'out his depth' and would have near enough all top clubs after him if available.

Imagine rating likes of Kounde and thinking Cubarsi is 'out his depth'.
 
Richard.h said:
People said the same about Araujo three years ago
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Most likely Cubarsi is just raw and inexperienced, not a nothing player like Araujo. And let's not neglect that these errors would happen far more rarely, and maybe not of this magnitude, without Flick's kamikaze defending tactics.
 
Go argue with those who did as I was long saying Araujo lacked too much after seen enough of him and long before PSG red.

Mistake and he needs to learn from it.

Cubarsi is one of best CBs in world. If put him up for sale now would have every top team after him.. or near on as Real wouldnt be allowed.
 
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JamDav1982 said:
Go argue with those who did as I was long saying Araujo lacked too much after seen enough of him and long before PSG red.

Mistake and he needs to learn from it.

Cubarsi is one of best CBs in world. If put him up for sale now would have every top team after him.. or near on as Real wouldnt be allowed.
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And he will succeed wherever he goes as he wont have to play this suicide defensive style
 
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