14 - Marcus Rashford

The data doesn't agree with you. This season, goals conceded with Raphinha, 0.9 pg. Goals without 1.8 pg. late March stats.

Been through this...

Raph has also missed games away to Real and didnt start v Chelsea, missed PSG, missed most of the games away to top teams in league and was also missing at same time Joan Garcia was out.

You flip it now to not be about CL...

Data shows Barca have conceded more goals in CL KO ties Raph started than hasnt if want to cherry pick.
 
And still Barca concede a ton of goals with Raphinha to make out team is a lot tighter defensively isnt true.

Fermin with work rate and finishing probably is one of the closest to Raphinha and Rashford pace and versatility off the bench is a big bonus also.

We will always concede more chances than other teams because of the risky way we play. But... even in those given parameters, when you replace Raphinha with Rashford, a drop in defensive performance is to be expected and will happen all the time. The drop was too big for Flick to accept, and this is why Fermin took Rashford's place. And since Fermin has been deploy LW, the defense got a lot better, albeit the attack is now suffering more.
 
Been through this...

Raph has also missed games away to Real and didnt start v Chelsea, missed PSG, missed most of the games away to top teams in league and was also missing at same time Joan Garcia was out.

You flip it now to not be about CL...

Data shows Barca have conceded more goals in CL KO ties Raph started than hasnt if want to cherry pick.

Yeah, missed 4 games vs AM, played 2 games vs AM. 6-1 in the two he played (3-1, 3-0). 4-8 (0-4, 0-2, 2-1, 2-1) when he didn't. Same opponent, same season. So...
 
We will always concede more chances than other teams because of the risky way we play. But... even in those given parameters, when you replace Raphinha with Rashford, a drop in defensive performance is to be expected and will happen all the time. The drop was too big for Flick to accept, and this is why Fermin took Rashford's place. And since Fermin has been deploy LW, the defense got a lot better, albeit the attack is now suffering more.

It doesnt happen though...

Barca have conceded a ton of goals with Raphinha in team this season and last.

This season he has managed to miss the vast majority of tougher games.
 
Yeah, missed 3 games vs AM, played 2 games vs AM. 6-1 in the two he played. 2-7 when he didn't. Same opponent. So...

Barca beat Atleti away in league and have won every league game this season regardless of who plays.

The home leg in Cup Atelti played just not to concede 4 is the reality. Barely left their half.

Also Rashford didnt play in that 4-0 defeat away in Cup... Fermin did.
 
Point is superior workrate, intensity, and drive is gonna always improve the defense of a side that uses a high press system to protect the backline. It's a futile argument on your part.

It's impossible for the team to not suffer more defensively when you switch Raphinha with Rashford. Just not possible.
 
Yet Raphinha workrate hasnt been protecting the defence in big games. Domestically or CL for most part.

Also 4-0 Atelti with Fermin LW not Rashford.
 
Yet Raphinha workrate hasnt been protecting the defence in big games. Domestically or CL for most part.

Also 4-0 Atelti with Fermin LW not Rashford.

No player can. We're talking about an improvement, not a fix. Raphinha's main contribution for CL big nights is his unreal end product, goals, assists, penalties obtained, that sort of match altering impact.

But the defensive impact is also noted.
 
Raphinha is given a lot of freedom to play more or less as second striker more than a wide player.

Lots of goals and assists and also leaves gaps in structure of the team defensively.

He hasnt been all that productive v Simeones Atletico under Flick either. Less than Ferran for example.
 
Well, that's the manager's indications. You don't like that and you want more of a Xavi rigid system, you get better defense, and lower offensive power.
 
Well, that's the manager's indications. You don't like that and you want more of a Xavi rigid system, you get better defense, and lower offensive power.

Indeed that is the point... and Raph there is not making the Barca defence any better in these big games as is made out.

Xavis defence was shit too often v half decent teams and took the GL being best player in Spain and a huge amount of missed chances.

Why didnt Raphs workrate make all the difference v PSG when Araujo sent off? But we are to believe it would have v Atelti/Chelsea etc.

Doesnt work like that.
 
He hasnt been all that productive v Simeones Atletico under Flick either. Less than Ferran for example.

That's because he missed the games that mattered most. If he played vs AM in this key tie, and failed to deliver, sure. We can find reasons why and speculate. But he didn't. And the matches vs AM that got us sent home from both CL and Copa, he didn't play in either.
 
That's because he missed the games that mattered most. If he played vs AM in this key tie, and failed to deliver, sure. We can find reasons why and speculate. But he didn't. And the matches vs AM that got us sent home from both CL and Copa, he didn't play in either.

No.. in the games played his production is not all that high vs Simeone under Flick. Less than Ferran.

He played in CL when sent home by PSG and Inter in previous two seasons also and more than Raphinha missing from those Atleti ties also and red cards.
 
No.. in the games played his production is not all that high vs Simeone under Flick. Less than Ferran.

He played in CL when sent home by PSG and Inter in previous two seasons also and more than Raphinha missing from those Atleti ties also and red cards.

Yes, and vs PSG he scored 3 goals, and vs Inter he made 2 goals also. With that type of impact, we beat AM and advance.
 
Yes, and vs PSG he scored 3 goals, and vs Inter he made 2 goals also. With that type of impact, we beat AM and advance.

No.. he doesnt have that type of impact v Ateltico and you ignore how many goals both those teams scored with Raphinha in the team.

Can just as easy say with Raphinha Barca concede more to Atletico if want to use those ties as anything to look back on.

Reality is Barca have not beat a team better than Atleti in Europe with Raphinha in team either.
 
I think I will go with Simeone on this, since he manages Atletico and says he doesn't know how Raphinha didn't win BD last season. That's probably best recognition you can have for how much of a difference you can make vs some other team. To have the manager of that team recognize you as a best in the world.
 
I think I will go with Simeone on this, since he manages Atletico and says he doesn't know how Raphinha didn't win BD last season. That's probably best recognition you can have for how much of a difference you can make vs some other team. To have the manager of that team recognize you as a best in the world.

That doesnt refute anything said.
 
Rashford been benched for one reason only. Poor, erratic workrate off the ball defensively compared to Raphinha. Hence why Fermin has been played there, a more intense player off the ball.
Well yeah, but Rashford is also not a starting player, he is a loan signing who we don't want to pay 30m for, and who United removed from their squad. So we aren't comparing Raphinha to him.

If we were replacing Raphinha it would probably be with a better player or we'd put more thought into it for the reason you mentioned.

Rashford is a great player but very inconsistent and low work rate.
 
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