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Maradona37
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Aye I had something of a meltdown, which I apologise to everyone for.
I just feel passionately that there should be more equality in football. But obviously that isn't achieved by having state-backed clubs either.
Gnidrologist
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There should be both less "meltdowns" and apologizing for them afterwards on forum like this. This is not twitters, ADL is not making databases of your post history here.
MonteCuler
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It is true that foreign investment is the only way for smaller clubs to compete with the best
But UEFA should somehow control this. Man City and PSG are the extremes here. They have already passed the point where it is about competing. They are now clubs with a lot of star players, tv rights and a worldwide fanbase. Now they spend money trying to dominate world football. And as we see, PSG is on the right track to do so in next few years
They are not comparable to these clubs that have earned their big club status with decades and decades of work and sacrifice. And they will never be on level of Barca, Madrid, Bayern, Ajax etc. Although they have full right to continue with what they are doing
Their fans are cunts. PSG and City think they are big and on the level of European elite historically but they are not
But UEFA should somehow control this. Man City and PSG are the extremes here. They have already passed the point where it is about competing. They are now clubs with a lot of star players, tv rights and a worldwide fanbase. Now they spend money trying to dominate world football. And as we see, PSG is on the right track to do so in next few years
They are not comparable to these clubs that have earned their big club status with decades and decades of work and sacrifice. And they will never be on level of Barca, Madrid, Bayern, Ajax etc. Although they have full right to continue with what they are doing
Their fans are cunts. PSG and City think they are big and on the level of European elite historically but they are not
Gnidrologist
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Just appoint Tebas as the boss of UEFA and FIFA too for good measure. He will make austerity austere again.
Maradona37
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I get your point but to take Man United - as an example - they have only really had two successful periods in their history - under Busby and Ferguson. Otherwise they have been non-entities in the success area.
Man City were a bigger club than them for decades after both were founded, and Man City let them play at Maine Road after Old Trafford was bombed in the war. Plus Man City helped save them from going out of business in the early days when they had no money. Given what City have done for United historically before the days of venomous rivalry, United should show them more gratitude.
My point is I agree with you to an extent, but you talk like City or Newcastle or Chelsea have no history. They're all big, proud, respected European clubs historically, and there's more ways to be a big club than to win a lot. Ultimately Man City were the bigger club in Manchester (and Man United don't technically play in Manchester) for many years, and then Man United made a history based on the Munich air disaster (fair enough they had got good just before that, hence playing in European Cup in first place). The fact that it was many decades ago and basically prehistoric to fans should make no difference. It's still part of football history.
Would you say Hungary don't have a proud football history because they have been pretty poor since the 30s and 50s, when they made World Cup Finals and were the best team in the world really (1954)?
MonteCuler
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They have history just not on the level of Europe's elite
And all things considered before oil money took over Man City was not on the level of Utd, despite some periods they might have had long ago. You consider trophies, 3 CL titles and many PL titles, then the legendary players that Utd had - it was a vastly bigger club
But I agree United's history is overrated, still better than City though
Maradona37
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Man United had 7 league titles before 1992, and one European Cup, it was hardly a huge haul. Plus Man City relegated Man United (Denis Law) in 1974.
Yes, United were overall the more successful club, but it's not like they were amazing themselves. Based on this logic I can easily say Liverpool were a much bigger club with much better history than United before United got into bed with Sky. And even in Liverpool's case, their great success came in 70s and 80s AFTER they had investment from Littlewoods.
I guess the thing that might change that is that City's success has come in the TV and internet era. So we are well aware of all their flaws and talk of sportwashing, as well as good things, about them as a team or club. Whereas City being better than United in 1930 is so long ago and has so little televisual evidence that nobody cares. In 2075 we will likely still have so much footage of 2025.
My point is that history is not static - it is dynamic and changes. If things continue as they are now (not saying they will) Man City will be viewed as an old era club in 2075 with their 35 league titles, by middle-aged people who were born years after United were good, and we will be talking about whoever challenges them then (might not even be a club that even exists yet) as having no history. Today will be history in 30 or 50 years.
The point is that just because history was made many years ago, it doesn't mean now is meaningless. Man City are making their history now and will likely overtake United. I have said quite a few times I think City will overtake United in league trophies (means winning another 13 I believe before United win 1) though they might decline post Pep.
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There is no solution because football is too globalized. You put a salary cap on Spain and all the players head to England. You put a salary cap on European football and all the players head to the middle east. You put a salary cap on the middle east and you end up being invited to one of their consulates for "tea and biscuits".
Maradona37
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Yes that is what I meant by the horse has bolted.
Admittedly, me throwing my weight behind nation states in football was in error (as I said earlier). But what I would like will (salary caps, more balance, more of the pre Bosman type of finances, while still respecting players right) never come to fruition either.
Like you say the game is far too big and far too popular and far too globalised.
Gnidrologist
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Great way to subtly hint that bombing ME is akshually a good thing.
MonteCuler
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Their greatest ever team gets ass whooped by randoms in major final, simply shit club
Maradona37
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Best since Enriques Barca..othet than maybe city and Liverpool.And a one off game in a heavily criticised tournament where they clearly thought they just had turnnup to win proves nothing lol.
A guy like you who claims to be right all the time should know better than to do the rookie fan mistake of judging on one off fluke matches
FinBarcelonafan
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Either way, it's fun to see PSG lose.
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