Euro 2020 (2021)

Messi983

Senior Member
If it were for the fans, Argentina should not have won either. Seen quite a few "macacos" messages from this lot to wars Brazilians.

If it's for the "fans" then almost no team ever would deserve to win anything. Every fan base has scumbags, racists or at least supporters who are maybe not bad people in general but let "the bad side" (which everyone has deep inside us) out of them in a heat of the moment. There are obvious things that no sane grown-up person should never say to another person. But nowadays "keyboard warriors" write things that 99% of them would never say if they would met that person face to face.

If it's for true fans who will support their team and players through good and bad and can behave then every team deserves to win.

I would like to believe than in any fan base second group is in a big majority but that smaller % of people is usually who we see most of the times doing things that embarass other well behaved fans supporting the same team.

And well, (social) media makes things even worse. Mediots are condemning the fans who put their team/country in a bad light with their behaviour but at the same time I don't think most of them really care too much as long as they get their clicks, retweets, likes etc. And because of how human brain work people fighting and kicking each other create more interest than people singing, dancing and peacefully supporting their team.

But at the end of the day it's just football. Support your team and players (especially those going through bad period who need someone to cheer them up) and respect the opponents, it's not that hard. It maybe doesn't seem so a day after the big final but there are far more important things in life than winning or losing a football game.

What happened to Eriksen is one of those things. In one moment he was a young, healthy, famous, rich footballer with a lovely family and a few seconds later he could lose all of that if not for a sober reaction of his teammates (mostly Kjaer) and doctors saving him. It's just another reminder how quickly a life we know can turn on the head. But the amount of love, support and unity he got not only from a football community but basically the whole world still makes me love football and keep faith there is something good in humanity even if we also get regular reminders of fans acting like idiots.


Hope it's not true, but seen it a few times already.

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Tweet is unavailable, what was that about?
 

Messi983

Senior Member
Also, congrats to Italy. Second final this year I didn't bother watching after the CL final.

Thankfully NT football is over now (well, there is still Olympic tournament which I'm actually quite looking forward to) and club football returns soon. First preseason game for Barca in 9 days, can't wait!
 

Joan

Well-known member
[MENTION=20930]Messi983[/MENTION] it was a video of some english fans beating poor Italians. And the news one was killed. Obviously fake, thank God.
 

fergus90

Senior Member
[MENTION=20930]Messi983[/MENTION] it was a video of some english fans beating poor Italians. And the news one was killed. Obviously fake, thank God.

We are that embarrassing we even fight ourselves let alone the opposition fans.
 

Mateka

New member
England reached the final. Were unbeaten in games played. Southgate strategy worked til 25-30 mins from start, Southgate a genius and Italy on the rocks.
But:
1. Defensive line up failed.
2. Substitutions were too late.
3. Penalty takers wrong selection.
 

fergus90

Senior Member
England reached the final. Were unbeaten in games played. Southgate strategy worked til 25-30 mins from start, Southgate a genius and Italy on the rocks.
But:
1. Defensive line up failed.
2. Substitutions were too late.
3. Penalty takers wrong selection.

I wouldn't call Southgate a genius. He has done good work but we need to be more offensive and take the game to the opposition. We are too cautious in our approach, he'll be in charge for the 2022 World Cup anyway so just hope we can play with a more entertaining brand of football.
 

Porque

Senior Member
England reached the final. Were unbeaten in games played. Southgate strategy worked til 25-30 mins from start, Southgate a genius and Italy on the rocks.
But:
1. Defensive line up failed.
2. Substitutions were too late.
3. Penalty takers wrong selection.

England can be proud of their tournament. They were the 3rd best performing team in the tournament and only lost the final on penalties.

Their trajectory reminds me of France circa 2016. They are still on the way up and I wouldn't put it past seeing them reach another final over the next 2 competitions. Winning will come down to a little luck, a little more experience and a little more huevos.
 

Bobo32

Senior Member
I think England made the final with a bit of luck both in games and with refereeing decisions. They also had a BIG advantage playing at home most of the time.

Their squad isn't brilliant, but it's decent enough. The star seems to be Southgate, who took them to the final by going against the consensus a lot of the time, often playing a very defensive minded system that worked initself, marginally winning the games. His decisions would be slaughtered if England went out earlier, which they could've easily done. But I don't think they could've arrived at the final playing much closer to how the fans wanted them to play.

With Southgate, or a similarly strong coach, I can see them having another lucky run in a tournament maybe, just as I could see 10-15 other teams have one like that. But I don't see England being top 5 right now, and I don't see them being on the way up really, I think Southgate just does the best of the material available, and although the material might be slightly better in a few years, they'll still be behind a lot of nations.
 

Fati_Future_BallonDor

Well-known member
Could be wrong but isnt Rashford bad at pens in pressure situations? Subbing him only for the shootout was stupid imo, he and sancho should have come much earlier.
 

soul24rage

Senior Member
Could be wrong but isnt Rashford bad at pens in pressure situations? Subbing him only for the shootout was stupid imo, he and sancho should have come much earlier.

He's good at penalties imo. From the top of my head, this is the most high pressure situation that he faced

vs PSG (CL 18/19 round of 16, the winning penalty in the 90th minute)
vs Colombia (WC 18 round of 16, penalty shootout)
vs Villareal (Europa final 2021, penalty shootout)
vs Man City (PL, don't remember which season)

He did have a weird run up though vs Italy ngl
 

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