BBZ8800
Senior Member
but posters on here taking every chance they get, Messi should leave, Pedri is overrated, Ter Stegen is shit, Alba is finished, and now it is De Jongs turn, you guys are fucking clueless, half the posters on here hate the club and the players
If someone is not good in our opinion, why should we pretend?
Just because he is young and our player?
For example, I started to post bad about Dembele after 2 matches for us since I have seen right away that he is very, very limited IQ wise and that we are in deep problems with him.
What was I supposed to do?
Pretend that he is not dumb, support him and say: everything is fine, we are Barca, Dumbele will rule the world?
Or Mats, who is a horrible, horrible, horrible GK whenever we face a high pressure match in Europe.
We can voice our concerns and hope that Mats will be sold or we can close our eyes, hold our hands and pretend that nothing is wrong, that Mats is fine and that everyone else is a problem (usual scapegoats like Barto, Ev, Rakitic, Roberto, Pique, Lenglet and not Mats).
About Frenkie, I don't think that he is a bad player, but imo, he is very, very overrated by our fanbase since Ajax days.
At Barca, he consistently plays at 6,5 rating, and that is even against weak La Liga sides.
Against bigger teams, he is a total non factor.
My biggest two problems with him are:
1. quite shitty forward/passing/creative game for Barca's standards. But not only for Xavi-Iniesta standards, but even for Deco, Fabregas, Rafinha standards.
2. the 2nd thing is: he is the new Fabregas. This guy doesn't fit on any single position in a team. He is scared, weak-ish and positionally bad for a CB and a CDM. Yet for a CM or Iniesta's position, he is horrible passing/vision/creativity wise.
I see him as a slightly better version of Motta/Van Bommel, who were hated by our fans 15 years ago because they were not good enough technically wise compared to Deco, Xavi, Iniesta.
People here dream about 433 and hail it, so my question again is: imagine if we have 100-150m to spend for 1-2 new midfielders, CAN ANYONE write one midfield trio combination with Frenkie in it, where that combination makes sense?
Any combination with him as a CAM or a CM will be meh and we will never get anywhere near Barca's midfield-passing standards with Frenkie as one of two CMs.
The only other option is a CDM, but Frenkie seems to be worse than a granny Busi because he is meh at defending, he is vacating his postion often (which is a no go for pivots), he loves to venture into the attack with his solo runs (which is suicidal for pivots).
Frenkie just looks visually good/shiny on the eye test, but when you dig deeper, what exactly is he bringing to a team except stamina?
I'll just write a few midfield combinations with him:
Frenkie, Puig, Pedri:
cons: Puig can't defend, Pedri can't defend, Frenkie is all over the place as a pivot. 0:6 defeat against Bayern or Psg incoming.
La Masia pivot, Frenkie, Pedri: Pedri can't shoot or score. Frenkie can't pass or create.
So, huge problems in attacking part even against midtable La Liga teams.
You can try other combinations.
I am giving you 100m to spend, please, write one midfield trio which makes sense.
In defense, he is not good enough.
In attack, he doesn't have any vision. His only vision is to take the ball at a CB position, dribble past two players and pass to someone else.
When you move him to a CM, where he can't dribble in his own half from deep, he doesn't know what to do with the ball.
Arthur had one good trait: press resistance and getting the ball out of our half, and after that he was breaindead and without any ideas.
Frenkie is similar. His only trait is: dribbling past 2 players in our half and game over after that.
Imagine if we actually kept a magical Frenkie-Arthur duo (for whom people thought that we will dominate the world for the next 10 years, lol).
Those two guys would get the ball the ball out of our half and once they step into the opposition's half, they would look eachother in the eyes and say: "I have no idea what to do with the ball now, do you have any ideas? I need some help, does anybody know what to do with the ball now?"
For the end, one more time, imagine this:
Year is 2022, Messi has retired.
We don't have an attacking creator in Messi anymore.
Other players and midfield need to take responsibility and create & score.
Now imagine some shitty attacking trio like Griezmann and 2 guys, with Frenkie-Pedri behind them:
1. attackers can't create and score
2. Pedri can't shoot, Frenkie can't create anything
That really sounds like the 5th placed La Liga or the 13th placed EPL team.
For the 10th time, please, can anyone write a lineup, without Messi in attack and with Frenkie in midfield, where that team makes any sense? Thanks
