FinBarcelonafan
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Game Of Thrones treatment. Walk down the streets of Barcelona, naked and everyone throwing shit at you. DAMN.
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Game Of Thrones treatment. Walk down the streets of Barcelona, naked and everyone throwing shit at you. DAMN.
iniestaGOAT
Senior Member
getting rid of Griezman, Countiho and Umitti should free up a lot of wage bill. Probabaly enough to sign Messi and everybody else.
Lets go Laporta.
Lets go Laporta.
Jadentheman
Active member
We got 222m in cash for him.
In freaking cash. Most transfers are paid in installments.
And they squandered it and more
Yep it wasn?t Neymar?s fault. It was Barto and the board that went on a ridiculous spending spree buying overpriced players and raising wages astronomically each contract renewal for older players.
I'm trying my best to explain.
SALARY CAP
2018-19 -------------------> 632,9M
2019-20 -------------------> 671,4M
COVID. Bartomeu's policy was to increase income. But the asshole did not reduce expenses, they increased to the same extent that they increased those income and there was no liquidity. So when the covid arrived, you find that you have the same expenses that were practically all your income and half of your income. The club generated 1000M and spent 990. And yet they still had to make fake trades like Neto-Cillessen or Pjanic-Arthur to falsely balance the accounts.
2020-21 (summer) -------> 382,7M
2020-21 (winter)----------> 347M
2020-21 (August 31)------> And when we have to register our player is going to be even less. Who knows, by Laporta original plan it would be 120-160M. But he will have to change it now and make his own Bartomeu losses.
Bartomeu's budget this year (850M) had:
-The sale of Barca Corporate for 200-250.
-Sale of players for 100M
-And the salary reduction that was made from 187M to be paid in other years.
Laporta's plan was:
-Not to carry those 187M deferred salaries and put them as losses of Bartomeu in the 20-21 budget
-Not sell Barca Corporate (if we sell it now it already counts for the 21-22 budget so it does not increase us the salary cap)
This means that budget of 850M will be 500-550.
300-350M LOSSES
And this means that the salary cap for this season will be 120 or 160M
SALARY CAP
2018-19 -------------------> 632,9M
2019-20 -------------------> 671,4M
COVID. Bartomeu's policy was to increase income. But the asshole did not reduce expenses, they increased to the same extent that they increased those income and there was no liquidity. So when the covid arrived, you find that you have the same expenses that were practically all your income and half of your income. The club generated 1000M and spent 990. And yet they still had to make fake trades like Neto-Cillessen or Pjanic-Arthur to falsely balance the accounts.
2020-21 (summer) -------> 382,7M
2020-21 (winter)----------> 347M
2020-21 (August 31)------> And when we have to register our player is going to be even less. Who knows, by Laporta original plan it would be 120-160M. But he will have to change it now and make his own Bartomeu losses.
Bartomeu's budget this year (850M) had:
-The sale of Barca Corporate for 200-250.
-Sale of players for 100M
-And the salary reduction that was made from 187M to be paid in other years.
Laporta's plan was:
-Not to carry those 187M deferred salaries and put them as losses of Bartomeu in the 20-21 budget
-Not sell Barca Corporate (if we sell it now it already counts for the 21-22 budget so it does not increase us the salary cap)
This means that budget of 850M will be 500-550.
300-350M LOSSES
And this means that the salary cap for this season will be 120 or 160M
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Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
Not Neymar's fault but his departure triggered it, no doubt. The insecurity felt by Bartomeu after Neymar's departure made them go grab some world-class player/posterchild to fill Neymar's void, which got them into a position that let other clubs take advantage of us. Coutinho and Dembele would not have cost us that much if other clubs didn't know we got the Neymar money. And he probably offered them crazy wages to entice them to come.
If Neymar had not been seduced by the PSG back then I think both the club and Neymar would have fared much better today.
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
Thanks [MENTION=23843]Prodi[/MENTION]. Several questions if I may:
(1) I kept hearing the 300-350m losses being thrown around, is that where it came from, like you described above? Basically revenue that had been anticipated to be received by the club that will end up not materializing? 850m (original budget) - 500m (adjusted budget) = a loss of 350m? Not loss in terms of revenue minus expense but expected revenue minus actual revenue?
(2) What does the following mean? And how are these numbers calculated/based on?
2020-21 (summer) -------> 382,7M
2020-21 (winter)----------> 347M
(3) "this means that the salary cap for this season will be 120 or 160M", because this factors in the 350m loss in revenue? This 120 to 160m figure is for which season? 21/22 or 22/23?
FinBarcelonafan
Well-known member
True, it got so out of hand. Everyone was talking about our astronomical salaries. We had something like 60-70% of our expenses salaries, which is way too high.
I didn't think about enough either.. Damn.
(1)
These losses figures come from:
-Rac1 "Tu Diras"
-Catradio "Tot Costa"
-Caden ser "Que t'hi jugues!"
All Catalan radio programs agree on that number of losses by sources from the Board and economists like Marc Menchen.
In October of 2020 Bartomeu presented a budget of 828M with expenses of 796M and a PROFIT of 1 million for 2020-21 season. The 828M had:
a- The sell of players. 100M i think
b- Barca Corporate for 200-250M
c- 172 million deferred salaries that were not paid this year and were paid the following.
d- And Barca foresees that in February 2021 it can have 25% of the Camp Nou capacity available and reach 50% in May
a- so far it has not been fulfilled
b- It has not been sold. And you can no longer sell it to affect the salary cap of this season
c-Laporta did not want to put those expenses in the following years, pay it with the loan that has been requested of 500M, and put the 172M in the 20-21 budget as Bartomeu's total expenses. So that he does not have to bear more expenses that come from another meeting during his new term. Clean Start.
d-There was no fans at the Camp Nou/Museum.
(2)
I have taken the data directly from Mundo Deportivo. And i think its explained there a little.
https://www.mundodeportivo.com/futb...ue-consiste-el-limite-salarial-de-laliga.html
(3)
Thats the big news from yesterday night and today in all catalan media. That 347M salary cap will eventually become 120-160M for this season if all stays the same and the budget for 20-21 stays at 500-550-600 and not that 828M that Bartomeu had falsely presumed.
I do not have more details. On the radio the journalists explain it very badly and not even they understand it. But economists say these figures and that it is impossible to renew Messi or register Memphis, Aguero, Eric, Emerson if salaries for the entire squad are not lowered to more than half, players are sold and those they do not want are fired.
Without Messi is posibble but we still need to reduce salaries, sell players, etc.
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And the last option is to continue not meeting the salary cap.
The consequence is that you cannot register players without a contract (No Messi, Memphis, Eric etc..... buy we can have all the other players). For next season you will be sanctioned again with an even lower salary limit and without being able to register any new player including those from Barca B until you comply with the regulations
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Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
Thanks again. It is all wishy washy for sure. What I don't understand/where I am confused is what is the salary cap for the upcoming, 21/22 season. 347m or 120-160m? If it is the latter, there is no way we can make it. And I don't get how it is calculated. Tebas pulled it out of his ass?
However, it does provide me with a bit of comfort knowing the 350m loss seems to be derived from the anticipated revenue minus actual revenue, especially given that Barca Corporate was factored in in the original number. Again, I wouldn't want to sell it.
FinBarcelonafan
Well-known member
Holy shit what a situation. We could be in the ruins.
Barto should be in jail soon.
Barto should be in jail soon.
Me neither, If the next few days the journalists explain themselves better, I will write it here.
Take a look at this article if you want to get more depressed.
https://www.go al.com/es/noticias/estas-son-las-amortizaciones-que-lastran-el-limite-salarial/4lgnwmj9idff1hfcskgbf28be
Put the letters together, i cant share the link.
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
Thanks! Couple of things I learned from that article (I think):
(1) Amortizations are part of the salary cap and in our case, a big part (144m for the 21/22 season). To reduce amortizations the only way would be to get rid of players in any way we could do.
(2) The 347m figure is the salary cap for the upcoming 21/22 season, still no idea where the rumored 120-160m figure comes from. Could it possible be our salary cap for the 22/23 season if we don't improve our revenue (from between 500m and 600m)?
I still don't buy the 120-160m drastic figure yet and would like to know how La Liga bases these salary caps on. At 160m, it would amount to 30% of our total revenue (let's say it is the depressed amount of 500m, which is 300m to 400m less than the pre-COVID numbers). How the heck is La Liga expecting a club to only spend 30% of its total revenue on wages? Didn't UEFA or something recommend spending around 60% of a club's revenue on wages? 30% is too low and completely unreasonable. It would be stupid for La Liga to put such an unreasonable and stringy constraint like this on its clubs and commit a suicide like this.
Devils
Senior Member
So what happens?
-We're going to renew Messi as it is priority #1 and everything in the contract is agreed upon and the only reason why he hasn't been signed is because we need to lower the wages first
-We've already signed Depay, Aguero, Garcia and Emerson
-We're working on selling players to reduce the salary cap
All three of these thing are happening/have happened.
But according to the numbers it is basically impossible for all the signing to register.
There HAS to be something off about the numbers, there HAS to be some sort of strategy.
-We're going to renew Messi as it is priority #1 and everything in the contract is agreed upon and the only reason why he hasn't been signed is because we need to lower the wages first
-We've already signed Depay, Aguero, Garcia and Emerson
-We're working on selling players to reduce the salary cap
All three of these thing are happening/have happened.
But according to the numbers it is basically impossible for all the signing to register.
There HAS to be something off about the numbers, there HAS to be some sort of strategy.
MTL_Barca
Well-known member
They already started handing out huge contracts before (thinking of Arda for example), that one is surely a big problem as well as it shows in how hard it is for us to get rid of players. Can't think of any other club that constantly has problems with flops on huge wages.
But yeah the Neymar transfer triggered the downfall into complete financial madness. Dembele, Coutinho, Griezmann that's a total of around 400M just in fees, and then the crazy wages on top of it. Even if they weren't all failures that would've been an insane investment that forced them into these shady book balancing deals, they were always operating at the limit with no safety net.
Funniest thing is they even tried to re-sign Neymar as well
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raskolnikov
Well-known member
Surely covid affected everything a lot and needs to be taken into consideration.
We need to get more time to fix this, say 4/5 years to get it down.
At one hand we should let Messi go but he probably creates more income than costs, which we also need to se we need to find a way to sign him, perhaps on a low salary.
Problem is getting rid of guys like umtiti, pjanic, dembele, braithwaote, Griezmann.
They dont want to go since they got big contracts and clubs wont but them if they can pick our bones dry if we fall apart.
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