Messigician
Senior Member
Obviously messi drifts but his starting position is as RF that is not hard for you to understand right?
Obviously messi drifts but his starting position is as RF that is not hard for you to understand right?
FCBfan22
Senior Member
Messi plays in the middle 80% of the time. That's why Roberto and Semedo suffer. It's not too hard to see that right?
Messigician
Senior Member
Fake news https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHtr_EVTYNbDpej9Xfn1gGUxPg51ZMSjvH53q6u_Y7lMFSX-T7u-HUs7dcDQ
You can clearly see he likes to sit on the right and drift centrally. Playing him in the middle means we would need to play 4231 as messi can't play on the left and Coutinho is dreadful there plus a midfielder would have to be sacrificed.
Irony when ppl think they know better than the coach and can't see obvious problems
FCBfan22
Senior Member
Messigician
Senior Member
Exactly.
What you mean exactly?
If you want to play Dembele on the right a midfielder would need to be dropped, so who do you have in mind?
Gnidrologist
Senior Member
That's the thing. He 'sits' on the right. He and our whole right flank severely lacks any movement, because Messi only uses right hand side of the field to beeline his runs and passes from as he is more comfortable coming from that side given how incredible his left foot is. He doesn't really occupy the right side tho and after he drifts to the middle, there is only one passing lane for him, mostly Alba's way. When Demebele and/or Semedo is there, he has more options and it also stretches opposite defense a lot. We always seem more dynamic with Demb there with our without Messi on the field. Quit copy pasting stupid talking points from reddit or smth, bro.
FCBfan22
Senior Member
Your point is that Messi plays on the right. I have proven you that it's only on paper.
The solution? Suarez as a LST with Leo CF/CAM and Dembele RWF. A hybrid formation mainly because of Alba's qualities. No swaps in the midfield.
Messigician
Senior Member
Did u even check the heatmap? You posted ONE convenient picture from a game which had BOTH Semedo and Roberto covering the right flank as extra support for Messi. Mate who do you think you're fooling? And you didn't ask the question of which midfielder you would drop to play messi centrally and Dembele on the right...
soul24rage
Senior Member
Something like this would be my lineup as it's balanced in attack and defence imo.
(4231) Mats---Semedo, Pique, Lenglet, Alba---Busi, Arthur---Dembele, Messi, Bob---Suarez
-Alba and Dembele provides the attacking width from the wings.
-I think that Dembele is not that great in the half space and so needs to play in the wings. Alba dominates the left wing so Dembele moves to the right.
-S. Roberto has the engine to ensure that our midfield does not get overrun and provide cover for Alba. Play Bob in the left half space.
-Messi gets to work in his favorite half right space.
The only worry for me is that S.Roberto might not have enough attacking skills against the big clubs, but this is my ideal lineup
(4231) Mats---Semedo, Pique, Lenglet, Alba---Busi, Arthur---Dembele, Messi, Bob---Suarez
-Alba and Dembele provides the attacking width from the wings.
-I think that Dembele is not that great in the half space and so needs to play in the wings. Alba dominates the left wing so Dembele moves to the right.
-S. Roberto has the engine to ensure that our midfield does not get overrun and provide cover for Alba. Play Bob in the left half space.
-Messi gets to work in his favorite half right space.
The only worry for me is that S.Roberto might not have enough attacking skills against the big clubs, but this is my ideal lineup
FCBfan22
Senior Member
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Messigician
Senior Member
For comparasion, last year:
Messi is leaning slightly to the right in all these pics...
FCBfan22
Senior Member
Ooooh... leaning slightly... He is leaning slightly to the left in Madrid passmap. So was he a LW in that game?
Leaning slightly to the right from dead center = RW.
*Sarcastic applause*
Valverde was building a good system last year. He managed to fuck it up this year and went for old Lucho's setup for the front 3.
Patiently waiting for next season when R. Valverde brings out the Lucho special Pitchfork formation, since we won this 6-1 at the time. But a lot more defensive.
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This, so well-written and a really nice post. But for now I think its okay to give V the benefit of doubt and applaud him for his results till now. Myndigheder hope is that Valverde is a slow - but safe developer - and that it gradually will get better. And at some point he will reach our hopes astetic wise. He is a manager known to be a long-term solution, and if we didnt grab him from AB, he would prob still manage the Team, and btw look hos far they have fallen after his exit. People will prob hunt me down for saying it, but a lot of times I have had the feeling he could be a manager staying here for 7-8 seasons. But he needs to play more barca-like and with arthur, de jong and alena he has the pieces to make it happen starting from next season. On another note, people should also calm down regarding hia future, if he doesnt deliver, he will go on his own will - thats why he hesitated with the extension and would have prefered to wait till the season is done.
And on a tottaly different note, the disrespect he gets from people om this board is so cringe and sad. You can see that he cares a lot and that itself should be enough. He is well-liked by our players because they see he has a good plan and he is really involved for the best outcome in The club. Unlike Lucho he has also watched Games for the B-team. IF he can add more barca-like identity to our game, I would love to see him be Barcas Ferguson. Wont happen, but personally im not against it IF mg creteria is met. He is a long-termanager by nature tho.
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