Jenks
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Poor_Sunyol
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Self determination for all. Punto.
King Leo
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you're right, unfortunately the English wont make it that far :-(
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Paganinisrvnge
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>People think Argentina won't dominate
They'll win their group, destroy Switzerland or Ecuador, then beat Belgium or Portugal in the quarters. After that, it depends on who they face in the semis. Their path doesn't really get hard until the semis unless they finish 2nd or Germany finish 2nd in their group(won't happen) and meet them in the quarters.
They'll win their group, destroy Switzerland or Ecuador, then beat Belgium or Portugal in the quarters. After that, it depends on who they face in the semis. Their path doesn't really get hard until the semis unless they finish 2nd or Germany finish 2nd in their group(won't happen) and meet them in the quarters.
Thankfully. Are you Argentinian?
La Furia
Legion of Doooom
The English only care about self determination for English subjects they transfer to their colonies, just look at Northern Ireland.
And yes, the Malvinas talk is political nonsense, and yes, CFK uses football for politican gain, but this issue pops up all the time, even when the economy isn't imploding as it tends to once every decade, and it's a bipartisan issue.
Jenks
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If that were true then we (the British, not English) wouldn't have put in place mechanisms by which each constituent country could leave the Union. You do realise that Scotland is having a binding referendum on independence this year, right? Northern Ireland, which is a Catholic majority, could do that too if they wanted. It's not like Gibraltar is majority ethnic British either. And the Crimea situation is hardly comparable, because no one with more than two brain cells to rub together actually believes that that was a free and fair referendum. The Russians were kidnapping Muslims they knew would oppose it for crying out loud. It's also a bit disingenuous to try and boil this down to a self-determination issue anwyay, because whatever way you approach the issue, whether it be historical or legal or whatever the result is the same. The only irrefutable argument Argentina has is one of proximity, and as I've said, it would be like Britain trying to claim the Faroe Islands from Denmark, or the Dominican Republic trying to claim Puerto Rico from the USA. It's crazy.
King Leo
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I tried in my posts to take us back to football and not get into pure politics but to each their opinion.
OK! I agree and disagree with you. Crimea is a pure Neo-imperialism act "a la Putin". If simply holding referendums dictates self-determination then the world map will constantly be changing with the mood swings of the voters (mostly for economic reasons).
Las Malvinas has a population of less than 3000, how hard is it for UK to change the demographics of that territory if they sensed the votes are going in Argentina's favour? One boat will do it!
Again UK is far away from Las malvinas and the only reason they are holding on to it is because of geo-political interests and nothing more. It's a military outpost. Argentinians are more likely to step foot into that island than any Brit would in their lifetime.
Speaking of neo-imperialism, Russia few years ago posted a flag under the north Canadian ice claiming those waters are now Russian. Who's vote will you take? The Polar bears or the polar seals?
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Jenks
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Given that the Falkland Islands are self-governing and control their own immigration, probably impossible. Really the only thing Britain does is protect the Islanders from Argentina and maintain our military bases there. I'm not sure what your point is either way though, because the Islanders (along with their Gibraltarian cousins as I'm sure Poor_Sunyol can attest) are some of the most patriotic Britons you will find anywhere in the world, so it's not like Britain would ever need to do that if if we could.
It's not just a military outpost, it's the home of thousands of British people, some of them eleventh generation Islanders. The cultural ties the islands have to Britain date back to over a hundred years before Argentina even existed as a country, and are only getting stronger thanks to Argentina. The importance of the islands to Britain from a strategic point of view was negligible in 1982, which is why the Junta attacked. Britain didn't respond because the islands were particularly valuable, Britain responded because leaving the Islanders to the mercy of the Argentinians would have been political suicide over here.
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Kerrybai
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I tried in my posts to take us back to football and not get into pure politics but to each their opinion.
OK! I agree and disagree with you. Crimea is a pure Neo-imperialism act "a la Putin". If simply holding referendums dictates self-determination then the world map will constantly be changing with the mood swings of the voters (mostly for economic reasons).
Las Malvinas has a population of less than 3000, how hard is it for UK to change the demographics of that territory if they sensed the votes are going in Argentina's favour? One boat will do it!
Again UK is far away from Las malvinas and the only reason they are holding on to it is because of geo-political interests and nothing more. It's a military outpost. Argentinians are more likely to step foot into that island than any Brit would in their lifetime.
Speaking of neo-imperialism, Russia few years ago posted a flag under the north Canadian ice claiming those waters are now Russian. Who's vote will you take? The Polar bears or the polar seals?
I don't think you get it. Argentina has no claim to the islands.
Poor_Sunyol
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King Leo is making it sound as Argentina were totally justified in their invasion of the Islands in '82 causing the loss of nearly 1000 lives. Anyhoo...my original point was not about who's claim is the strongest over the Falklands, it was that I was under the impression that governments were not allowed to use their national football teams to make political points.
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