You're out of line with your personal attacks. If you felt sure in your case then you wouldn't be grasping at straws. And you seem to take me for being Pro-Madrid.
Right, it was
me that was lecturing
you from the outset about the absurdity of having an opinion on this matter
Well gee, that superiority complex of yours is unnerving. Talking to you brings back memories of discussing with 18 year old female communists back home (happens a lot). Suddenly, I'm stupid because I don't see it from their point of view. Then I'm a fascist because I don't support their ideals. Then I'm the devil because I have arguments to back up what I believe.
Right back at ya...It's always refreshing to learn how uninformed some of the forum members can be yet pass it off as fact
Deep seated issues? In a city where every street name, poster, flyer and menu is in Catalan? In a city where people from other parts of Spain are struggling to find schools for their kids where everything isn't in Catalan? Contrary to what you might think, Spain is no longer a brutal dictatorship. Spain is a a Western European country with all the benefits of one. People here are living fairly good lives or they were before the crisis. Most of the ethnic tension (which does exist) can be traced to the younger generations who embody all the romantic nationalistic ideals. It's like communists: In most Western European countries they're all young and full of ideas for how to make the world a better place. Then they grow up and realize things aren't all bad.
A Dane somehow understanding what it is to be victimized by an Imperial legacy, that's rare in this age
You don't know squat either. You think, like so many others on these boards, that by becoming a fanatical Catalanist you will become a better Barca fan or even closer to the culture. Grow up.
I don't profess to be an expert and I certainly haven't stayed at a Holiday Inn Express either to become proficient in the complexities of an ancient culture like the Catalans in under a year of living there...along with your non-pure Catalan friends
Haha. Your straw-grasping abilities are amazing. Did you grow up on a farm? If I mentioned genocide then it was sarcastic because there is nothing even close to resembling genocide down here. Yeah, Catalans are horribly oppressed and have been the last 30 years. I heard they're being transported to factory facilities in Madrid to be used as slave labor.
Like I said, your inability to actually stick to the subject undermines what little credibility you think your argument had
But seriously, most people these days seem fairly content with their lives (if we take away the crisis of course). They watch their plasma TV, smoke their weed in the park, kiss their lovers on the benches in the park, drink their beers and break jokes after they've taken their children to school.
You just described your demographic and to purport that that is the majority belies what little you understand about the bigger picture
Seriously, stop comparing them to Palestinians. Last I checked about the Palestinian crisis a group of Israeli farmers had descended upon a Palestinian village and started shooting at young teenagers for sport
You continue to be out of your depth here...And Catalans were never murdered by Franco's regime?...History of oppression is just that, it's not unique to Palestinians or Catalans...Then again, I didn't grow up thinking I achieve maturity through clubbing dolphins to death either
I didn't say that politics were irrelevant. But I can't vote here and neither can you. Trying to decide whether Catalunya will stay part of Spain or become independent is just something that'll give you a headache.
Maybe it does give you a headache but I never brought up Catalunya becoming independent, you did
You're blowing this out of proportions as if the PP incites regular hate. It's all a matter of lack of communication between the separatists and the unionists.
I did not blow it out of proportion anymore than the National Police or many politicians did...They called it out for what it was, irresponsible and potentially dangerous...You think all those police and protection are there because things were taken out of proportion?...You're again out of your depth here
Really? You sound pretty racist to me, keeping a Catalan purist kind of view. Only those with the right blood-line have the right to stay in this country according to you?
Fantastic conclusion to draw from what I never said but hey, you're on a roll...It's one logical fallacy after another
No it's not. But what does what they speak have to do with anything? If anything it shows that Catalan is flourishing and not being brutally suppressed. And the Basques are a different case, having a non-Latin culture, language and history dating back to before the Romans. The Basques are nationalists on another level hombre.
Where did I suggest brutality currently, eh chico?...You can repeat it as often as you like but it still wouldn't make it something I said
You are mistaking and you're not listening to what I've been saying. I'm not saying Catalanism doesn't exist. I'm not saying Catalunya won't become an independent country. I'm not saying that there aren't plenty of Catalans who want to be independent.
So next time read posts more carefully before responding and taking things onto a tangent
What I'm saying is that it's not as a black and white as people on these forums think. I'm saying people are more split about it down here than you think they are. I'm saying there are also a lot who really don't mind the current status quo of being part of Spain.
I never debated whether there are Catalans who are quite content with the status quo or not, you are failing to see how you've lost your way and are trying to have a different discussion
Research done from abroad on your computer does not give you anything but numbers and statistics. Numbers and statistics lie. You have to get whiff of the atmosphere and you have to question polls. Seeing everything from one side does not grant you a neutral viewpoint. You must see things from both sides before you can make your judgement.
When you've done years of research, we can chat about what research is or how it applies to real life perhaps
I don't doubt it. I've never denied that independence weren't an option or whether it could happen. The people I've talked to down here say the same. It could happen. It might happen. But fact is that you shake your fist at me for claiming that "all Catalans don't want to become independent" (which I haven't said) but you yourself say "You are mistaken when you say catalan people wants to stay under Spanish government rule or inside Spain" which is just as erroneous as that which you claim I've said.
Find one place where I claimed anything was 100%, whether for an Independent Catalunya or not...You've, again, drawn your own conclusions and are having an argument with yourself
And, no, it is not erroneous to say that about Catalans wanting a change in how their autonomy is currently structured...A majority do, that's irrefutable
My point in this whole argument is this: Some want to become independent. Some want to stay part of Spain.. The Catalans are a big group. They can take care of themselves. They don't need any help. If independence is going to come then it's going to come from them.
Congratulations, you've could've just said that instead of admonishing others for having an opinion on matters
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