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    Great thread Khaled.

    Müller "only" scored 525 goals for Bayern if we only include first team appearances. Indeed he scored 41 goals for the B team but those should not be included in the official count. If so then all the goals scored by Messi for the Barca B and C teams should be included as well.

    Messi needs to score 274 goals more to beat Müllers record for Bayern.

    Let us just say that he will do exactly that in the next 5-6 seasons. To do so Messi need to score about 50 goals each season. If he stays healthy then I don't see why he should not be able to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DucdeOrléans View Post
    Great thread Khaled.

    Müller "only" scored 525 goals for Bayern if we only include first team appearances. Indeed he scored 41 goals for the B team but those should not be included in the official count. If so then all the goals scored by Messi for the Barca B and C teams should be included as well.

    Messi needs to score 274 goals more to beat Müllers record for Bayern.

    Let us just say that he will do exactly that in the next 5-6 seasons. To do so Messi need to score about 50 goals each season. If he stays healthy then I don't see why he should not be able to do that.
    Are you sure of this number?

    cause according to rsssf.com

    1. Bavaria (Bayern) Youth Team 1962-63 3 games 2 goals
    2. TSV 1861 Nördlingen 1963-64 31 51
    3. FC Bayern 1964-79,83 616 573 ( i don't know if they included goals from B and C team)
    4. Germany National Teams 1966-74 63 69
    5. Fort Lauderdale Strikers 1979-81 80 40
    Total: 793 official games, 735 goals.
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    I found these Stats...

    Muller scored 521 goals in 568 official games at Bayern [Bundesliga, German Cup, Liga Cup and European competitions].
    365 goals in 427 Bundesliga games, international record of 66 goals in 74 European Club games, 78 goals in 62 German Cup games and 12 goals in 5 Liga Cup games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DucdeOrléans View Post
    Great thread Khaled.

    Müller "only" scored 525 goals for Bayern if we only include first team appearances. Indeed he scored 41 goals for the B team but those should not be included in the official count. If so then all the goals scored by Messi for the Barca B and C teams should be included as well.

    Messi needs to score 274 goals more to beat Müllers record for Bayern.

    Let us just say that he will do exactly that in the next 5-6 seasons. To do so Messi need to score about 50 goals each season. If he stays healthy then I don't see why he should not be able to do that.
    Are you sure of this number?

    cause according to rsssf.com

    1. Bavaria (Bayern) Youth Team 1962-63 3 games 2 goals
    2. TSV 1861 Nördlingen 1963-64 31 51
    3. FC Bayern 1964-79,83 616 573 ( i don't know if they included goals from B and C team)
    4. Germany National Teams 1966-74 63 69
    5. Fort Lauderdale Strikers 1979-81 80 40
    Total: 793 official games, 735 goals.
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    I found these Stats...

    Muller scored 521 goals in 568 official games at Bayern [Bundesliga, German Cup, Liga Cup and European competitions].
    365 goals in 427 Bundesliga games, international record of 66 goals in 74 European Club games, 78 goals in 62 German Cup games and 12 goals in 5 Liga Cup games.
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    Gerd Muller scored 41 goals in 34 games for Bayern in (Regionalliga Süd) in 1964-65.
    Total: 573 goals in 616 games between 1964 and 1979.
    ===> So its 532 goals in 582 official games at Bayern's 1st team?
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    Not sure Khaled. I used the English Wikipedia and the German version and both say that Müller scored 525 goals for Bayern's first team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DucdeOrléans View Post
    Not sure Khaled. I used the English Wikipedia and the German version and both say that Müller scored 525 goals for Bayern's first team.
    Okay thanks anyway, we have to wait at least 5-6 years to see that happen... Until that happens, we have enough time to get the accurate number of official goals scored by Gerd Muller for Bayern's 1st team, but it has to be between 521 and 532 official goals.
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    ¤ OFFICIAL: #Messi becomes the 1st player ever to be the #ucl Top-Scorer in 4 consecutive seasons #fcblive (2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012).

    - 2nd ever to win it 4 times after Gerd Muller in (1973, 1974, 1975 and 1977).
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    I think if he goes on like this, he will smash them all..

    I am afraid of only one record: Goals in all official and unofficial games ever.
    I think that Pele leads there with around 1.200 goals, which is almost impossible - even for messi - to break..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdy View Post
    I think that Pele leads there with around 1.200 goals, which is almost impossible - even for messi - to break..
    People thought it was impossible for him to break last season's record...

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    Argentina's National Team all-time Top-scorers:

    1- Batistuta 56 goals
    2- Crespo 35
    3- Maradona 34
    4- Messi 26

    another record to beat...
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    ¤ Messi Stats for Barcelona and Argentina 2011/12: 82 goals (73+9) and 33 assists (29+4) in 69 games (60+9).
    (all-time record)
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    Most Goals for the NT in a Calendar Year?

    Kocsis 23 goals (in 1954)
    Ali Daei 22 (1995)
    Ali Daei 20 (2000)
    Sven Rydell 18 (1924)
    Ali Daei 17 (2004)
    Kocsis 16 (1952)
    Kamamoto 15 (1972)
    Ronaldo 15 (1997)
    Cha Bum Kum 14 (1977)
    Gerd Muller 13 (1970 and 72)
    ...
    Puskas 12 (1950)
    Eusebio 12 (1966)
    Houssam Hasan 12 (1998)
    Sukor 12 (1998)
    Batistuta 12 (1998)
    Kluivert 12 (2000)
    Villa 12 (2008)
    ...
    Pele 11 (1959)
    Henry 11 (2003)
    Eto'o 11 (2008)
    Villa 11 (2009)
    ...



    Note: Messi scored 7 goals so far in 2012 in 3 games(Personal record), he can still play up to 7 games for Argentina 2012.


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    Most International goals (Country, 50+ goals):

    1.Ali Daei [Iran] 109* goals (149 games) (1993-2006)
    2.Ferenc Puskás [Hungary/Spain] 84 ( 89) (1945-1956)
    3."Pelé" [Brazil] 77 ( 92) (1957-1971)
    4.Bashar Abdullah [Kuwait] 75*(133) (1996-2007)
    Sándor Kocsis [Hungary] 75 ( 68) (1948-1956)
    -.Vivian John Woodward [England/England Am] 73 ( 53) (1903-1914)
    6.Stern John [Trinidad/Tobago] 70*(115) (1995-2011)
    7.Hossam Hassan [Egypt] 69 (169) (1985-2006)
    8.Gerd Müller [West Germany] 68 ( 62) (1966-1974)
    9.Majed Abdullah [Saudi Arabia] 67 (139) (1978-1994)
    10.Kiatisuk Senamuang [Thailand] 65*(130) (1993-2007)
    11.Jassem Al-Houwaidi [Kuwait] 63*( 74) (1992-2002)
    Miroslav Klose [Germany] 63*(113) (2001-2011)
    13.Ronaldo [Brazil] 62*( 98) (1994-2011)
    14.Hussain Saeed Mohammed [Iraq] 61 (126) (1977-1990)
    15.Imre Schlosser [Hungary] 59 ( 68) (1906-1927)
    16.Gabriel Batistuta [Argentina] 56 ( 78) (1991-2002)
    Carlos Alberto Pavón [Honduras] 56*(100) (1993-2010)
    18.Bum-Kun Cha [South Korea] 55 (121) (1972-1986)
    Kunishige Kamamoto [Japan] 55 ( 61) (1964-1977)
    Jan Koller [Czech Republic] 55*( 91) (1999-2009)
    Kazuyoshi Miura [Japan] 55 ( 89) (1990-2000)
    Romário [Brazil] 55 ( 70) (1987-2005)
    23.Samuel Eto'o Fils [Cameroon] 53*(109) (1997-2011)
    Robbie Keane [Ireland] 53*(114) (1998-2011)
    Joachim Streich [East Germany] 53 ( 98) (1969-1984)
    Adnan Kh. Al-Talyani [UAE] 53 (164) (1984-1997)
    27.Fandi Ahmad [Singapore] 52 (101) (1979-1997)
    Poul "Tist" Nielsen [Denmark] 52 ( 38) (1910-1925)
    Jon Dahl Tomasson [Denmark] 52*(112) (1997-2010)
    Zico [Brazil] 52 ( 72) (1976-1986)
    31.Thierry Henry [France] 51*(123) (1997-2010)
    Hakan Sükür [Turkey] 51*(112) (1992-2007)
    Lájos Tichy [Hungary] 51 ( 72) (1955-1971) [12]
    David Villa [Spain] 51*( 82) (2005-2011)
    35.Karim Bagheri [Iran] 50*( 87) (1993-2010)
    Didier Drogba [Ivory Coast] 50*( 76) (2002-2011)
    Seon-Hong Hwang [South Korea] 50 (103) (1993-2002)

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    Your right he wont break that record but back then players used to play as much friendlies as official games. Also Pele is only fourth all time when you include friendlies. Bican and Muller had over 1400.

    Khaled any chance you could update this page? Im obsessed with Messi and his statistics and he is about to hit 300 goals for club and country currently on 299.

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    Personally I think he could one day be the all time top goalscorer officially although some of you reckon he wont even break 500.

    He currently has 299 goals for club plus NT. He could easily hit 80 plus again this season which would leave him on around 360. Players tend to peak at around age 27 so theres no reason he could not score around 70 plus for the next two season's.

    Then for his seasons aged 28, 29 and 30 he may scored around 40 a season for club plus NT and perhaps 30 a season for 31 and 32 and maybe 20 aged 33 and 34 leaving him on roughly 720. Then he could do a Romario and head to South America until he's 40 where he could score 20 a season against weaker opponents leaving him on about 840 goals when he retires.... or maybe im just insane

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    Barring any serious injury, I think it is almost a given that he will be the first player in la liga history to score 300+ goals. I also believe he will at some point reach the 100 goals mark in the UEFA Champions League. Then he might reach 50 goals in the Spanish Cup if he plays that tournament regularly. So there you have 450 goals, possibly he could add another 50 in the league but that is assuming he will continue at Barcelona until he's 35-36 at least. One thing is sure though, he is not going to keep scoring 30+ goals in the league for the next 5-6 years.

    There will be injuries and goal droughts that will push the less patient to even question his position in the starting eleven. What he's going through right now won't go on for ever. I do think people should be a bit more conservative speculating about Messi's future, the numbers I've seen some people throwing around are just ridiculous, 6-700 goals is just to unrealistic, that imply he will score more than a goal per game for the rest of his career, it is not going to happened.


    The Pele argument that he scored 1200 something goals is simply pointless. He played in a state league where his Santos steamrolled some of the lesser teams, we're talking his team scoring up to 10 goals in some games. For example, in 1958 his Santos team scored 143 goals in 38 games and in 1959 they scored 155 in 41 games, these are numbers you only see in the ladies leagues these days.

    Some examples of the heavy competition Pele had to face:

    19/11/1959- Santos 12 x 1 Portuguesa Santista
    21/11/1964- Santos 11 x 0 Botafogo
    11/09/1958- Santos 10 x 0 Nacional
    06/09/1961- Santos 10 x 1 Juventus

    and numerous more where they scored 7,8 and 9 goals.
    Last edited by Xtroverto; 22nd October 2012 at 09:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtroverto View Post
    Barring any serious injury, I think it is almost a given that he will be the first player in la liga history to score 300+ goals. I also believe he will at some point reach the 100 goals mark in the UEFA Champions League. Then he might reach 50 goals in the Spanish Cup if he plays that tournament regularly. So there you have 450 goals, possibly he could add another 50 in the league but that is assuming he will continue at Barcelona until he's 35-36 at least. One thing is sure though, he is not going to keep scoring 30+ goals in the league for the next 5-6 years.

    There will be injuries and goal droughts that will push the less patient to even question his position in the starting eleven. What he's going through right now won't go on for ever. I do think people should be a bit more conservative speculating about Messi's future, the numbers I've seen some people throwing around are just ridiculous, 6-700 goals is just to unrealistic, that imply he will score more than a goal per game for the rest of his career, it is not going to happened.


    The Pele argument that he scored 1200 something goals is simply pointless. He played in a state league where his Santos steamrolled some of the lesser teams, we're talking his team scoring 10, 11, 12, 13 goals in some games. For example, in 1958 his Santos team scored 143 goals in 30 games and in 1959 they scored 155 in 41 games, these are numbers you only see in the ladies leagues these days.
    600 isnt unrealistic. He's only 25 so he may not have even peaked yet. 600 is only doubling his total number. It took him 8 years to hit roughly 300. He could play football for the next 13 plus so I think 700 plus is very feasible.

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