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    Quote Originally Posted by evilhita666 View Post
    Players in our squad have won three or four times whatever Koeman won and they did it while being considered the best in the world, they are bigger club legends now than he ever was... Besides, players don't care about what happened 25 years ago, especially since Koeman hasn't done anything relevant as a coach...
    You make it sound as if he is some kind of a bum.
    Regarding a current era, our legends are only Messi, Xavi, Iniesta and Busi.
    And for me, none of them has even a tiny bits of leadership or being some kind of a teacher.
    I know that our fanbase is obsessed with Xavi being the new great manager, but I personally don't have too much faith in Xavi due to his:
    1) somewhat shy and submissive personality
    2) plus, he isn't the greatest with words

    I am not a football coach, but I guess that we could say that some basic skills for top football coaches are:
    1. tactical knowledge (Xavi could learn that part)
    2. being a leader, a teacher, a father of players. I totally can't see Xavi in that role. The only good thing about him is that he is a legend. But for me he is not too far from Messi.
    Imagine if Messi is your coach. Ok, he is an awesome player, but can you imagine him yelling, leading and cheering in tough moments? I can't.
    Xavi is not much better than Messi for me in that regard.
    A good coach imo should have some similar leadership skills the same as a captain of a team.
    And we don't have captains and leaders for years in a current team. We only have world class TECHNICAL footballers, not leaders.
    3. similar to a point no2, imo, majority of best coaches are something like Pep, Klopp.
    You know that they have knowledge, but you have some fear and respect towards them as a person, not only as a footballer.
    Ferguson once threw a boot into Beckham's head.
    Pep is crazy and you have to listen to him.
    Klopp is also crazy.
    Simeone will kill your whole family if you will make a mistake.
    Zidane is a tough guy also.

    Then you have imo soft guys like Wenger, Sarri who are good tacticians and good "friends" of players, but they will probably never reach 100% of their potential because they are lacking that fear and respect from players.
    EV falls into that category also.
    Do you think that players are scared of him? Lol, no.
    On the other hand, Lucho was a crazy guy. But he also couldn't do too much.

    So, regarding this "total package", I don't see Xavi, Iniesta or Busi as good coaches because no one will be afraid of them.
    From our former players, on paper, for me: Ronaldinho could be that guy one day (he has those leadership qualities in him), Puyol could be that guy (but he is a CB, so his build up and tactical knowledge is questionable) and Van Bommel could surely be that guy.
    Cocu and Van Bronckhorst are also somewhat too nice to gain fear and respect from Barca's players.

    So, when you guys are dismissing players like Koeman, then please don't mention Xavi, lol.
    If Koeman is an ancient player, then our only options are those 3 mentioned above (Ronnie, Puyol, Bommel).

    Quote Originally Posted by evilhita666 View Post
    Players in our squad have won three or four times whatever Koeman won and they did it while being considered the best in the world
    Sorry, but this is just a huge recency bias.
    As if everything what other teams and players have achieved in the past is nothing compared to a mighty current era.
    From a current era, only Messi, Xavi and Iniesta are true Goats on their positions. And Puyol and Alves, but they are gone.
    Busi, the jury is out there and there is a huge chance that he was awesome only because he played alongside Xavi, Iniesta and Messi who masked his flaws.
    Other players in our team aren't any better than our former legends.

    Ronald Koeman won:
    From 1985 to 1994 won 8 league titles in 10 years: 1 with Ajax, 3 with PSv and 4 in a row with Crujff's Barca.
    Won Champions league with Psv in 1988 and with Barca in 1992 (being the scorer of a title winning 1:0 free kick).
    Plus, on an NT level, he won Euros in 1988 with Netherlands.
    8 league titles, 2 CLs, 1 CL final, 1 Euros.
    Played 264 matches for Barca and scored 88 goals for Barca in his 6 years here.
    For example, Neymar scored 105 goals for Barca, Ronaldinho 94, Xavi 85, Iniesta 57, Henry 49, Villa 48.
    He is the highest scoring central defender of all time with 254 goal in his career.

    So, from our current players, who is a bigger legend than Koeman?
    Only Messi. Imo Busi and Pique are tied with him.
    Suarez, Raki, Vidal, Dembele, Cou, Alba, Mats, Lenglet, Frenkie, Arthur, Semedo, Umtiti are all miles behind Koeman.
    So, if our players won't listen, then they are just a bunch of spoiled, overrated and complacent brats.

    Quote Originally Posted by evilhita666 View Post
    Realistically, only a guy with traits of Pep or Klopp can tame our squad, someone who has the personality and the managerial/tactical skills to put his money where his mouth is... Unfortunately there is no such manager available right now...
    I agree here.
    And also, as said above: they install some fear as persons and are somewhat good teachers.
    Xavi and co can't install fear.

    Do you think that Gallardo can install fear? I don't think so, lol.
    So, which coach is the closest thing to be:
    1. being a legend?
    2. has Barca's connections?
    3. can install SOME fear?
    4. has some results behind him?

    ** Back to Koeman:
    Koeman was a free-kick and penalty-kick specialist. He is Barcelona's second-highest goalscorer from free kicks, behind only Lionel Messi, with 26 goals from set pieces in all competitions. His goal tally of 254 goals in his entire career makes him the top scoring defender in European football.
    He is our 2nd best free kick taker ever.
    Better than Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Neymar and all other famous players.
    Btw:
    Koeman scored 26 free kick goals only for Barca in his 6 years here.
    While Neymar has scored 17 free kick goals in his whole career.
    And a mighty CR7 (the best player of all time by some fans from a current era) has scored 13 free kick goals in his whole career, lol.
    So, a recency bias is quite strong and is far from reality.

    For younger fans, a video of Ronald Koeman killing goalkeepers for years with his shot, lol:


    Someone should only show this video to our players and they should be scared as hell
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    I'm sold!

    Let's sign Rambo ASAP!!! He can play CB till Ernie's bags are packed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowy View Post
    Haha comic and tragic! When u put it like that, can't think of another top club where players have it so easy

    Was joking the other day but yeah, board actually managed to pamper our hard-working lion cubs into Love Me Feed Me Never Leave Me Garfields.

    Picking up their kids from school just before match _ no warm-up gym - just a pool table and a auto-refill Purina 9Lives dispenser. The other coach was gobsmacked and said his team would take 10+ goals or was it? per match if they did the same

    Even Pep and Klopp couldn't tame our players at this stage. Pique skips training to join strike rally... ma man SpeedBouz quick to follow lol Good luck controlling Leo and force him to stay in the top corner where he'll never see the yarn.

    Solution: hire Jackson Galaxy to reset the meow button and pair him up with a hardcore master chief drill instructor to whip them back into the zone. Cats who can't cope will immediately ask for a transfer to China, Japan or MLS.

    Only Leo gets a pass on BUD/S ... err cuz he's my fav hehe srsl, cuz u wanna protect ur Ace in the Sleeve

    BUT put him on a 10 days per month juice detox and incorporate more flexibility and yoga into his routine for longevity.

    Confiscate Demb's game consoles and make him watch hours of foot analysis + hrs n hrs vs MaTs and defenders so as to hone his finishing skills under pressure.

    Select based on merit and current level so as to boost motivation. Weaker players will ask for transfers by themselves instead of board trying to convince them and the better ones will get promoted. Easy P!

    Then, bring in 10H or Xavi or whoever fits best
    wow what a fucking bizarre writing style. have never seen anything like this on a football board

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    Quote Originally Posted by LMTR14 View Post
    wow what a fucking bizarre writing style. have never seen anything like this on a football board
    Thanks :-)

    It's patented

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    Do you think that players are scared of him?
    What an absolutely and anciently outdated garbage is that?

    Do you think X player will more successfully dribble is he is scared of the coach???
    Do you think Y player will more successfully aim a long-ball is he is scared of the coach???
    Do you think Z player will more successfully finish is he is scared of the coach???

    Scaring you OWN players is equal to taking their CONFIDENCE away, which is the best recipe for losing.
    A good coach is a respected father figure and as such, always has the AUTHORITY over the young players, but authority can be a very POSITIVE notion, WITHOUT FEAR!

    A good coach should scare the OPPONENT with his tactics and game, and never his own players.
    How can you build up a thought-flow and repeat such an awfully stupid anti-sports thing upon that?

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    This is why Messi plays in the middle and does whatever he wants.
    FU Barto, FU the whole board, FU Abidal, FU Neymar. The end of Barca

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    It's another Dybala at Argentina scenario where Leo has decided it's not going to work with Griez and he won't work well on the same team as Messi.

    Villa/Zlatan at Barca got similar treatment.

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    What should Messi do to make it work? Its really not that simple. Griezmann and Dybala are probably the two top players who are the least compatible with Messi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritchie View Post
    It's another Dybala at Argentina scenario where Leo has decided it's not going to work with Griez and he won't work well on the same team as Messi.

    Villa/Zlatan at Barca got similar treatment.
    Watch the Copa America 2019 3rd place match vs Chile. Messi and Dybala worked well when they played at their best position for the first time in the NT. Even Dybala said it himself that he proved that he could play well with Messi after the match.

    Let's first see Griezmann at CF and Messi on RW before say that it's another 'Dybala situation'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritchie View Post
    It's another Dybala at Argentina scenario where Leo has decided it's not going to work with Griez and he won't work well on the same team as Messi.

    Villa/Zlatan at Barca got similar treatment.
    ronaldo can mesh with anyone because his style of play doesn't conflict with others. throw 2017 ronaldo onto this team and barca run riot through europe, with dembele and griezmann's full potential being unleashed. that's not happening with messi
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    Liverpool got a man inside it looks like. Never want to see this piece of shit wear our shirt again.
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    He will be our 2nd best player by miles, behind Messi.

    Why doubting Coutinho?
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    Neymar was a strange fit.
    Cou will play as if he was born and developed here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tekkers View Post
    ronaldo can mesh with anyone because his style of play doesn't conflict with others. throw 2017 ronaldo onto this team and barca run riot through europe, with dembele and griezmann's full potential being unleashed. that's not happening with messi
    Oh yeah. He definitely ran riot with Juventus last season and is doing it with Juventus this season.

    I've read a lot of bullshit on this forum, but you're taking it to new heights now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tekkers View Post
    ronaldo can mesh with anyone because his style of play doesn't conflict with others. throw 2017 ronaldo onto this team and barca run riot through europe, with dembele and griezmann's full potential being unleashed. that's not happening with messi
    Imagine thinking Ronaldo, a player who relies on service, would do well in this current Barca team who create barely 4/5 clear chances per game

    The proof is there that he relies on service as Juventus are playing some ugly football and Ronaldo is barely scoring...

    Delusion level: 1000000000
    #ValverdeOUT

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonAK View Post
    Oh yeah. He definitely ran riot with Juventus last season and is doing it with Juventus this season.

    I've read a lot of bullshit on this forum, but you're taking it to new heights now.
    i literally stated 2017 ronaldo
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    Liverpool got a man inside it looks like. Never want to see this piece of shit wear our shirt again.
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    He will be our 2nd best player by miles, behind Messi.

    Why doubting Coutinho?
    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    Neymar was a strange fit.
    Cou will play as if he was born and developed here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilarrubi View Post
    Imagine thinking Ronaldo, a player who relies on service, would do well in this current Barca team who create barely 4/5 clear chances per game

    The proof is there that he relies on service as Juventus are playing some ugly football and Ronaldo is barely scoring...

    Delusion level: 1000000000
    ronaldo wouldn't thrive with alba, griez, dembele, fdj, arthur, etc. providing him service? do you seriously think that juve even has anywhere near as the same offensive firepower as barca?
    Quote Originally Posted by ThwiX View Post
    Liverpool got a man inside it looks like. Never want to see this piece of shit wear our shirt again.
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    He will be our 2nd best player by miles, behind Messi.

    Why doubting Coutinho?
    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    Neymar was a strange fit.
    Cou will play as if he was born and developed here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tekkers View Post
    ronaldo wouldn't thrive with alba, griez, dembele, fdj, arthur, etc. providing him service? do you seriously think that juve even has anywhere near as the same offensive firepower as barca?
    You just listed names there. Have you seen our current play?
    #ValverdeOUT

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