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    Only forward who would be perfect for Ernie is Harry Kane. Everybody else doesn't fit as long as Valverde remains the manager.

    Firmino? Good joke.
    Lautaro? Same as Firmino, same as Griezmann. Not a striker in any conservative setups, but a forward playing off a striker, or a mobile forward in a fluid system.

    Kane, Lewandowski, Lukaku. These are Ernie-working strikers playing the '9' position. Good luck with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serghei View Post
    So does Firmino. He has license to look for spaces, and move just about everywhere in the final 3rd because Mane and Salah will be in sync and will also take up the right spaces to ensure that an effective shape is maintained.

    You can have more than 1 player with freedom in the final 3rd as long as you know what you are doing as a manager. Check City and Liverpool, or even lesser examples like Ajax or Napoli under Sarri, and look at how their front 3 have license to move just about everywhere. Sterling is as much of a striker as Aguero in many moments. Same for Salah and Mane. How do you think they get so many goals? Mane, Salah and Firmino are all forwards and all can occupy the space at no9 at different moments in time.

    What we're talking about here is mostly elite management, vs crap management. Griezmann would slide in perfectly at all of City, Liverpool, or Ajax, or even Bayern, PSG or Dortmund and would have an immediate impact.
    I still think griezmann was a dumb signing. If you look at the front 3 of Liverpool and man city, even though they interchange, they all have different attributes and balance the attack. Messi, suarez and griezmann, although good individually, are too similar. Griezmann's best attribute is dropping deep to link up play, but messi is better than him at it. Someone like sterling or mane would bring balance to our attack

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batistuta9 View Post
    I still think griezmann was a dumb signing. If you look at the front 3 of Liverpool and man city, even though they interchange, they all have different attributes and balance the attack. Messi, suarez and griezmann, although good individually, are too similar. Griezmann's best attribute is dropping deep to link up play, but messi is better than him at it. Someone like sterling or mane would bring balance to our attack
    I agree he was a dumb signing, but certainly not because he is not a great player. He is. But we keep singing players that require better management to get the most out of and at the same time we keep pretending Valverde is a great manager. It's like you buy a great tasting fish, but you have a dumb chef trying to fillet it. And he butchers that fish to the point that all it is left is 20% of its meat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serghei View Post
    I agree he was a dumb signing, but certainly not because he is not a great player. He is. But we keep singing players that require better management to get the most out of and at the same time we keep pretending Valverde is a great manager. It's like you buy a great tasting fish, but you have a dumb chef trying to fillet it. And he butchers that fish to the point that all it is left is 20% of its meat.
    I do think almost 100% of the users want rid of valverde. I was willing to give him the benefit of doubt after roma, wanted him gone after Liverpool and can't believe he kept his job after copa final loss. Unfortunately, it seems like he will see out this season. I just hope the board are brave and get a good manager. It is the most important role for any club, look at city and lfc. I want ten haag, is still doing well after losing important players and play great football

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    Quote Originally Posted by serghei View Post
    I agree he was a dumb signing, but certainly not because he is not a great player. He is. But we keep singing players that require better management to get the most out of and at the same time we keep pretending Valverde is a great manager. It's like you buy a great tasting fish, but you have a dumb chef trying to fillet it. And he butchers that fish to the point that all it is left is 20% of its meat.
    Come on, you are trusting Bartomeu with all the signings? He doesnt know shit about football as well. Since when do we have to resort to so many big money signings; it's ridiculous. No one is denying Valverde is a terrible manager, but Barto is part of the problem. He is resorting to more senseless signings, partly due to Valverde's woes. You could say both of them are bringing the entire club down.

    Griezmann is neither like Firmino or Tadic; I don't care how he does for Atletico or France, where he basically has the free-man role all to himself. That's where he can roam without restriction. In Barca, you have Messi who innately expresses his creativity and false 9 abilities, with dribbling superiority. How is Griezmann supposed to co-exist when his main ability is roaming as well.

    Firmino has attributes of close dribbling and clinical finishing. Powerful and clinical and has the technique for it. He merely played a false 9 role which requires dropping deep but overall he is a much more superior striker than Griez. Griezmann is more solely dependant on movement and always has been. He is also weak in being both footed. If you want him as a CF, you need to have powerful strikes, and is able to score in various positions. It's a misconception strikers only shoot from the middle, modern strikers now is able to shoot from left right centre, but evidently Griez is incredibly weak in that area. He is more used to picking up loose shots and try to put it in the back of the net. But asking him to score a goal after Messi pass along the flank he will struggle. Not to mention he is also weak in getting past defenders.

    I suppose you can ask a coach to "develop" him in that area but he doesnt have the acceleration to beat defenders, he is more accustomed to staying behind the lines of defence. A coach can only develop a player BASED on his abilities and attributes. Another thing that can be developed nowadays is decision making which is what many players lack. You can tell Messi to play like Ronaldo or Ronaldo to play like Messi that's just impossible. Pep made use of Messi's abilities and played him as a false 9.

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    Griezmann has all the qualities to play as a forward under Klopp, Guardiola or Ten Hag. He is like a better version of Mertens from Napoli. Who also played very well under Sarri at Napoli with Insigne and Callejon in a very fluid front 3 with a lot of movement.

    I stick with my idea here. You can get the best out of Griezmann in two ways. Either with a conservative manager with a clear 9 in front of him, like Giroud for France, or Morata/Costa/Mandzukic for Atletico. In which case he does clash with Messi since Messi is also a CAM/2nd striker now. Or he can play as a mobile no9 under modern managers, in which case he could coincide with Messi, just like Firmino coincides with Salah for Liverpool. Two players who frenquently change places in attack and play off each other, with Mane also joining in centrally a lot.

    We can agree or disagree with how Griezmann would do or won't do under different managers. But the reality of the situation is that what he surely can't do is play LW under a conservative manager like Valverde. There shouldn't be any disagreements that he is grossly misused at Barcelona in the current setup.
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    Look at where he is starting for France and compare it to where he starts here.

    No manager could make the lad work in the same starting XI as Messi.

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    of course goatmann scored
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    Some journo is speculating Antoine is already contemplating leaving.

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    Eduardo Inda, El Chiringuito

    He's a madridista.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Messi983 View Post
    Eduardo Inda, El Chiringuito

    He's a madridista.
    For sure.

    But sometimes I'm under the impression guys at Marca, AS, Chiringuito break news that the folks at MD or Sport know first but are unwilling to.


    It's probably bullshit but Griezmann does look a bit depressed and exiled here.

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    Greaseman out

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    Europe is laughing at us... Coutinho and now Griezmann. Why the fuck did we buy him lol?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenI View Post
    Europe is laughing at us... Coutinho and now Griezmann. Why the fuck did we buy him lol?
    Every striker we have always bought has had to be able to play LW. Henry, Stoichkov, Romario, Villa, Suarez Eto'o etc

    If they failed to like Zlatan they are sold.
    This isn't something new, it is necessary

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tackle View Post
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    Look at where he is starting for France and compare it to where he starts here.

    No manager could make the lad work in the same starting XI as Messi.
    Griez have to adapt we don't play this kind of schema since the 90's !! all big striker for us had different postions in their previous clubs & national teams

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