Luis Enrique

opjeoff said:

Saying he got lucky that Messi decided to return to the wing is like saying Messi decides where he plays and the coach has no say in the matter.

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That's exactly what happened. There's a quote from Suarez, it's common knowledge.

Bojan said:

That's exactly what happened. There's a quote from Suarez, it's common knowledge.

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Lucho still decided to go with Messi on the right permanently though and made that function in the team to a high level.

He also put around Messi a structure of Raki and Alves to help it work. Alves wasnt playing the same way he was, his game was changed again.

There is often elements of luck involved. Even Messi going to false nine permanently under Pep was down to Messi wanting to play central when Ibra was there and Pep reacted and got best out of situation.

Could say Pep struck lucky on Masche at CB due to injuries etc.

It's never luck when Pep does it though. It's always been masterful strategy on his part. /s

jamrock said:

Of course you give pep some credit for Bob, he promoted him and showed real faith in him, by giving him minutes while he was still with the b team.

Was it the one million and 1 games, like some unlearnt individuals want to talk about, because they don't understand the policy on the progression of young player that pep implemented after the whole Bojan situation. Would have liked to see,no. Some some people understand the nuances of what pep was doing then, others do a Google search and find some "stats" without knowing the facts.

If you understand youth progress under pep you understand why, but he deserves credit he showed faith in him.

Did he developed him?, hell no because he wasn't here, Dah.

But Luis also deserves credit for keeping faith and turning him into a RB, Roberto is a runner, the type of player, Luis loves, so he kept faith and deserve credit for that, but you can't take away pep from the equation.


Much like if Luis stays and shows faith in Kamptoum and then leaves before he can fully develop him, he would deserve credit for that, that's assuming he doesn't loan him out for another manager to do the heavy lifting. Lol

Rafa,Bob, Thiago got the chance under pep.

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Pep didn't promote him, he debuted him. Roberto was promoted on the 2013/14 season, under Tata. Pep has absolutely no credit for Bob's ressurgence, or for his convertion to RB. That's all on Lucho.

The nine La Masia players who have debuted with Luis Enrique
Six of them did it in Copa del Rey
October 30, 2015 - 12:36

The first rounds of Copa del Rey are a good moment to allow usual players rest and give minutes to the substitutes... and youth players. This is evidenced by Luis Enrique, because he let nine players debut, six of whom debuted in this competition.

This week was the time of Wilfrid Kaptoum and Aitor Cantalapiedra, two Barcelona B players who performed quite well. Last year, Edgar Ié and Jordi Masip debuted against Huesca and Alen Halilović and Gerard Gumbau did the same against Elche.

Munir and Sandro played for the first time with first team last August in La Liga, occupying Luis Suárez's place while he couldn't play. Sergi Samper is the 9th on the list. He debuted in Champions League match at the Camp Nou against APOEL last season.

The season with more debuts

Seen in perspective, 7 debuts last year (Munir, Sandro, Samper, ie, Masip Halilovic and Gumbau) make 2014-15 the year with more debuts of homegrown players.
'Tata' Martino let three players debut (Adama, Dongou and Patric), 'Tito' Vilanova only counted on Planas and Guardiola allowed 22 debuts, separated for seasons: 6 in the 2008-09 season (Busquets, Abraham, Thiago, Xavi Torres, Muniesa, Botía), five in the following one (Fontàs, Jonathan, Gai, Soriano and Bartra), 6 in 2010-11 (Miño, Sergi Gómez, Oriol Romeu, Nolito, Sergi Roberto and Montoya) and fifth in his last season (Cuenca, Deulofeu Tello, Rafinha and Riverola).


Interesting

So Lucho needs five or six debuts to keep pace with Peps ratio this season.

Denis already had his debut.

Alena, Marlon etc fitness providing are nailed on to debut.

Sure there will be another two or three.

So Luis Enrique gave debut to 9..... And he has been here only 2 years. Pep 22 in 4. So not only is Luis well on his way to achieve the Pep's magical figure but he has turned a freaking no body into our starting RB, by changing his position at that!



Lucho guy the leader of the anti-La Masia brigade! What the hell man, what are you doing to our La Masia!?


PS: I am expecting a did google search and pointed to "stats" argument to be thrown at [MENTION=20103]Flavia[/MENTION] though.

Aryagorn said:

So Luis Enrique gave debut to 9..... And he has been here only 2 years. Pep 22 in 4. So not only is Luis well on his way to achieve the Pep's magical figure but he has turned a freaking no body into our starting RB, by changing his position at that!



Lucho guy the leader of the anti-La Masia brigade! What the hell man, what are you doing to our La Masia!?

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Think Lucho is ten debuts.

Aitor, Camara and Kaptoum last season added to seven season before.

He has promoted more players into first team squad from B team as well I think in the first three years.

serghei said:

Everybody was shocked when Alves got injured on San Mames and Lucho had this exotic idea of playing Sergi as RB. Roberto stopped being a talented player from La Masia under Lucho, and become our no1 RB, to the extent that Lucho doesn't want a RB because he fully trust Sergi. And he might be rewarded for that, because Sergi Roberto can be Lucho's masterstroke at Barcelona the same way Busquets was for Pep almost. It's not out of the realm of possibility judging by his recent performances at RB.

This is what should be given the most credit to, not some few minutes that the past managers distributed to a wide range of players 5 years ago.

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To be fair, Roberto did very well as RB during pre-season in America last season.

Only reason why he played there was because Douglas got injured.

So no, it wasn't exactly shocking that Roberto played as RB against Athletic at San Mames when Alves got injured.

But yes, Lucho did a great job for turning Roberto into a very reliable player for us.

JamDav1982 said:

Think Lucho is ten debuts.

Aitor, Camara and Kaptoum last season added to seven season before.

He has promoted more players into first team squad from B team as well I think in the first three years.

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Oh yeah.... It's 10. Almost half of what pep did in 4 years! So much for Lucho being the anti-La Masia!!

Not to mention we lost out on Thiago, one of the hottest La Masia prospects because of Pep bringing in Cesc.....And oh yeah, it is Pep himself, again, who stole him away from us too!

Luis Enrique's idealism is underrated and his pragmatism overrated. He is still a La Masia possession coach, not as much as Pep. I can't think of any more La Masia-style coaches other than these two.

Funny the lengths people are going through to discredit the great pep lol.

Roberto was promoted under tata, pep only debuted him.

Pep bought back cesc and that lead to Thiago leaving and not getting minutes.

Semantics at its best,

Fact pep debuted Roberto and showed trust in him, pep left before he was ready to be fully prompted, because he wasn't quiet yet.

I won't even dignify the Thiago comment with much of a response, because everyone knows how pep feels about Thiago, he was clearly being groomed to be the next great barca midfielder.

Facts are if pep stayed Roberto would be playing a important part in the first team, maybe not at right back, but he would at least he out keita.

Facts is if pep stayed Thiago would be a starter at barca right now.

Fact is if pep was here, he would have taken the time to develop samper in house, to teach him the barca way.

He would also have probably, won't be my head on the block for this one like the 3 above, but odds are bartra would at least be out 3 CB. ( This is nothing against umtiti)

jamrock said:

Funny the lengths people are going through to discredit the great pep lol.

Roberto was promoted under tata, pep only debuted him.

Pep bought back cesc and that lead to Thiago leaving and not getting minutes.

Semantics at its best,

Fact pep debuted Roberto and showed trust in him, pep left before he was ready to be fully prompted, because he wasn't quiet yet.

I won't even dignify the Thiago comment with much of a response, because everyone knows how pep feels about Thiago, he was clearly being groomed to be the next great barca midfielder.

Facts are if pep stayed Roberto would be playing a important part in the first team, maybe not at right back, but he would at least he out keita.

Facts is if pep stayed Thiago would be a starter at barca right now.

Fact is if pep was here, he would have taken the time to develop samper in house, to teach him the barca way.

He would also have probably, won't be my head on the block for this one like the 3 above, but odds are bartra would at least be out 3 CB. ( This is nothing against umtiti)

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No one is discrediting pep. You are trying to discredit Lucho at any cost. The facts are that Bob was promoted under Tata. Also pep was the one who brought Cesc back, he asked for him. All your other "facts" are pure conjecture. It could had happened, but also could not happen.

Aryagorn said:

Not to mention we lost out on Thiago, one of the hottest La Masia prospects because of Pep bringing in Cesc.....And oh yeah, it is Pep himself, again, who stole him away from us too!

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You must not be serious, are you ?
Let's take a look at 2011-12 squad , we've got Xavi, iniesta, Busi, Keita and Thiago if we don't consider Cesc signing,so before doing that we had only 5 midfielders and hell surely we know 3 of them are starter without any question just like MSN today. and Keita was more used for defensive stuff plus Thiago was only 20-21 years old that time
you don't want to tell me we didn't need more signing for midfield , do you ?
And... And that's not even important here ( Cesc signing ) because the reason why Thiago left was first himself second the board didn't take care of him as they should have. ( I don't even mention Thiago was left in 2012-13 so if you have any problem with given minutes you certainly should blame Tito too but obviously you don't )

Btw I think he was given enough minutes for a 21 years old guy ( 45 matches under Pep and 36 matches under Tito ) , especially when you see there is a fucking brilliant trio in your team.

It's becoming more funny as you guys trying to search every moment happened back in the day to blame Pep, disgraceful.

jamrock said:

Funny the lengths people are going through to discredit the great pep lol.

Roberto was promoted under tata, pep only debuted him.

Pep bought back cesc and that lead to Thiago leaving and not getting minutes.

Semantics at its best,

Fact pep debuted Roberto and showed trust in him, pep left before he was ready to be fully prompted, because he wasn't quiet yet.

I won't even dignify the Thiago comment with much of a response, because everyone knows how pep feels about Thiago, he was clearly being groomed to be the next great barca midfielder.

Facts are if pep stayed Roberto would be playing a important part in the first team, maybe not at right back, but he would at least he out keita.

Facts is if pep stayed Thiago would be a starter at barca right now.

Fact is if pep was here, he would have taken the time to develop samper in house, to teach him the barca way.

He would also have probably, won't be my head on the block for this one like the 3 above, but odds are bartra would at least be out 3 CB. ( This is nothing against umtiti)

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Pep barely showed trust any serious in Roberto and certainly not enough trust to promote him to first team squad.

You have no idea what Roberto would be doing had Pep stayed. Let alone state it as fact.

You are just constantly making things up to suit your point of view. Again you have no idea how he would treat Samper so not any FACT.

No reason Pep would trust Bartra when he chose to use midfielders in his place and didnt promote him in his time.

You have got far too sucked into this idea that Pep trusted all young players massively and would have integrated them all.