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Barcilliant · Dec 11, 2016

FlaFCB said:
But Messi is too central. And the rw stays empty for most of the game. I think it's because there isn't anyone he can really associate with there. So he goes closer to Iniesta to try to make combinations. He's missing Alves a lot.

Perfect analysis!

Id like to see Srna in the short term and maybe Cancelo signed later. Roberto doesn't combine or attack well enough.

God Serena · Dec 11, 2016

FlaFCB said:
Yeah. Suarez current slump could even be due to this.

I wouldn't blame Suarez's slump on that. His problems are deeper than Messi's positioning. He lacks the killer instinct he once had that made him so dangerous.

BusiTheKing · Dec 11, 2016

Has anyone else been playing with the thought of what Joachim Löw would do with his 4-2-3-1 at Barca? Something like this:

-------------------Suarez/Paco-----------------
Neymar/Denis-------Messi--------Dembele/Dybala
-----------------Busi--------Samper/Sergi Berto
Alba-----------Umtiti--------Pique-------Vidal/Sergi Berto

Edit: I'm retarded at posting line-ups.

xXKonan · Dec 11, 2016

During the treble season we used Masche-Busi as a double pivot frequently but most of the time our performances on the field were pretty bad.

Busi feels more comfortable as a lone pivot than having someone next to him.

NorthernVictory · Dec 11, 2016

xXKonan said:
During the treble season we used Masche-Busi as a double pivot frequently but most of the time our performances on the field were pretty bad.

Busi feels more comfortable as a lone pivot than having someone next to him.

Spain was a counterexample, though. Busi + Xabi Alonso was fantastic.

Aryagorn · Dec 11, 2016

NorthernVictory said:
Spain was a counterexample, though. Busi + Xabi Alonso was fantastic.

Was about to say!

Although, Xabi is not exactly a DM though. He's more in the lines of a Yaya Toure or something..... Which again poses the question as in why we sold Yaya in the first place

xXKonan · Dec 11, 2016

Busi probably works better with a B2B/CM than a Destroyer DM like Mascherano then if we were to use a double pivot again.

I wouldn't be surprised if Lucho tries a Busi-Gomes double pivot eventually with either Denis/Messi as a #10.

KingMessi · Dec 11, 2016

Sort of like when Busi played with Alonso for Spain?

xXKonan · Dec 11, 2016

KingMessi said:
Sort of like when Busi played with Alonso for Spain?

Yep. But at this moment I don't think Lucho could effectively get it to work as well.

Gomes during his Benfica days played in a double pivot quite often.

gasgas · Dec 11, 2016

xXKonan18 said:
Busi probably works better with a B2B/CM than a Destroyer DM like Mascherano then if we were to use a double pivot again.

I wouldn't be surprised if Lucho tries a Busi-Gomes double pivot eventually with either Denis/Messi as a #10.

Good idea

.................Busi Gomes
Mahrez...........Messi.........Neymar
........................Suarez

i_bleed_blaugrana · Dec 12, 2016

BusiTheKing said:
Has anyone else been playing with the thought of what Joachim Löw would do with his 4-2-3-1 at Barca? Something like this:

-------------------Suarez/Paco-----------------
Neymar/Denis-------Messi--------Dembele/Dybala
-----------------Busi--------Samper/Sergi Berto
Alba-----------Umtiti--------Pique-------Vidal/Sergi Berto

Edit: I'm retarded at posting line-ups.

Iniesta>Dybala, Dembele, Mahrez etc.

Always been my problem with doing a double pivot, Iniesta gets benched for what, so we can play like Mourinho? Messi just needs to get on his wing more. It'll force markers out wide that'll open up more space for the rest of the team as well as when he does drift in because there will be more space for him to exploit. He just doesn't want to do all the dirty work when the ball comes wide right and he feels the need to offer control in the build-up.

KingMessi · Dec 12, 2016

You put Messi on the (Dembele/Dybala) position and play Iniesta in Messi's position in that 4-2-3-1.

But then I really don't like that system.

gasgas · Dec 12, 2016

i_bleed_blaugrana said:
Iniesta>Dybala, Dembele, Mahrez etc.

Always been my problem with doing a double pivot, Iniesta gets benched for what, so we can play like Mourinho? Messi just needs to get on his wing more. It'll force markers out wide that'll open up more space for the rest of the team as well as when he does drift in because there will be more space for him to exploit. He just doesn't want to do all the dirty work when the ball comes wide right and he feels the need to offer control in the build-up.

Stop dreaming, Messi will not play wing again.

Since the treble season, Messi has been moving more and more towards the center and I think he's there to stay

jamrock · Dec 12, 2016

If you play that formation, you have to play iniesta beside busquets

If Barcelona plays a double pivot, it can't be a conventional system with two someone defensive players.

Iniesta can do it too, he and busquets would kill any team building the play from deep. And as he pushes forward and busquets sits back and cover, he would link up with messi.

What more would u need

Alik · Dec 12, 2016

gasgas said:
Messi will not play wing again.

That's what everyone thought before Suarez was signed.

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