Most people do in this case. It's more convenient for world's view of Ramos being the evil manservant of a pompous rich club.
[MENTION=12906]DonAndres[/MENTION]
We all see what we see. Writing "he DEFINITELY AND OBJECTIVELY TRIED TO INJURE HIM" as this fanbase does is preposterous. It's not Pepe-Casquero or Keane-Haaland. I don't want to write another set of elaborate posts. I wrote a bunch of those in Salah's thread. Go there and see if you come to similar conclusions or not.
I read the thread and I'm not buying it. It's very convenient when it's your player to start talking about the situation as incidental or "grey", saying that everything's unclear and being vague about the conversation. The "who knows what the intention was?" spiel and "all happened in the span of milliseconds" excuses are old and tired. And then on top of that to use Ramos's record breaking résumé of thuggery to victimize him saying "oh it's just a normal hard challenge but since it's Ramos everyone freaks out" is even more deceptive when the truth is that makes it even more certain that it was anything BUT an accident. Ramos didn't become the all time red card leader in la liga on "accident" or "coincidence", he did so by committing to a lifetime worth of violent plays and deliberate thuggery.
As I said before, Zaza and Olynyk are universally condemned for doing things that were less obviously intentional. You bring up Pepe and Keane, though I don't see how the first one is even relevant. Pepe's action was just hot-headed stupidity in a temper, causing pain and bruising but no real injury. Even he probably knew going into it that pushing him down lightly and then kicking him in the leg/back wasn't gonna actually injure him. It was just Pepe going berserk and losing his mind.
The Ramos and Keane challenges are a different class, taking advantage of an opportunity in play to damage the opponent. Keane's was completely overt, and he just wanted to fuck up that guy's whole career. Ramos, however, disguises his thuggery quite often. Elbows thrown whenever he gets a chance, using "falls" as an opportunity to cause damage to the opponent. There's mountains of evidence on this stuff all over the internet, the arm hook he did to Salah isn't even the first time he's done it.
You yourself commented on the "yank" from Ramos in that sequence being completely real and undeniable in Salah's thread. Well that kind of arm lock is literally banned in Judo for being too dangerous. It's an obviously high risk action that could cause injury to the opponent, and that yank was completely unnatural during the falling motion. The shoulder is extremely vulnerable to unnatural twists and turns like that, and it's a miracle that Salah somehow didn't injure that one and then went on to injure the shoulder he landed on. Just a matter of there being so much room for injury/damage in that sequence that something had to get fucked up eventually.
It's time to stop hiding behind the disguise of "confusion" when it comes to Ramos. There's nothing in the entire encyclopedia of dirty, violent plays that he hasn't resorted to over the years. And it's absolutely 0 coincidence that the guy is going around the pitch injuring people with hard, loose elbows and shady "tangles".
If you can look at that clip and conjure up random rationales for why it "wasn't deliberate" then I could just as easily say that Suarez's bite on Chiellini wasn't intentional. Just incidental contact in a hard grapple for position between two players, Chiellini was butting into Suarez and throwing his arm/shoulder up near his face area. Doesn't look like anything to me
