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    Quote Originally Posted by khaled_a_d View Post
    Pep rejected to sign a contract longer than 2 years with Barca, afterwards always extended or 1 more years and quit after 4
    Now he signed 3 years and before they are over renewing for 5.
    Pep simply want to build his empire in City, he wants to be their Rinus Michels/Crujif. He was never going to be that in either Bayern or Barca. two clubs who is already historically established.
    We can hope he will come back, but he himself won't come back even if Laporta came back
    Your last part is also a reason for him leaving Barcelona and then Bayern. After Laporta left he was never given the complete freedom at Barca and never had it at Bayern. That's also why he's staying at Man City. He can move on from any player whenever he want. It's a bit dangerous to give something like that to a manager, but I would give it to Pep if he returns as I believe he has both a short-term and long-term vision for the club.

    Not going to happen though for obvious reasons as once Bartomeu's tenure ends in 2021, Villarubi will run and win and stay until 2027.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DonAK View Post
    Your last part is also a reason for him leaving Barcelona and then Bayern. After Laporta left he was never given the complete freedom at Barca and never had it at Bayern. That's also why he's staying at Man City. He can move on from any player whenever he want. It's a bit dangerous to give something like that to a manager, but I would give it to Pep if he returns as I believe he has both a short-term and long-term vision for the club.

    Not going to happen though for obvious reasons as once Bartomeu's tenure ends in 2021, Villarubi will run and win and stay until 2027.
    Thats not the case. He lasted about as long as he predicted he would at Barca from the start and quite clearly says the reasons he left.

    He was given freedom at Barca. Was arguably given more freedom after Laporta left.

    The reason he will stay longer at City is because he sees that as the club he can leave his legacy at. He has said that himself. It is not about freedom to do as he pleases.

    Have been saying for ages he plans to stay there longer than lasted at Barca or Bayern.
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    Pep is building something special at City but he needs to do better in the CL (fully expect them to do just that next season)

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    PL is a pretty volatile league.

    Even if Pep is there for a few more years, sure he'll endure some difficult seasons. Doubt it will be an era of City dominance.
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    Let them hype him. He may win here and there, but Klopp has more room for improvement and flexibility than City. Mourinho too probably, if Pogba and the lot click with him. Pep teaches a great system, but his teams only have one rigid setting. As OP as it may be at full speed, a few injuries here and there, a team tailor made to pierce through the backline and they won't dominate.
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    They dont have more improvement or flexibilty then Pep City

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    Like a mantra - Pep has no plan B to fall back on. Never had, didn't have it in the CL this year, won't have it next year. There's little he will change to their current state, because they're very well balanced on experience and shape he wanted the team to adopt. The only rough edges he will address are the CBs, for which he will try to integrate Laporte over time, and the LB hole. It was clear he blamed the 1/4s loss on the ref and didn't place it on the team who were absolutely bummed in the first leg. Watch it repeat if they meet Liverpool again next year. Might even happen against United too if their players change their minds about sacrificing some of their strengths for Mou's (rather underwhelming) collective approach.
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    Pep said to Neville in their recent interview, what is a plan b? It's small details to a game, you need to defend bring on a defender, you need to an equalizer bring on an attack, need to control the game bring on a midfielder, you need pace bring on a fast winger. I think it's wrong to assume he doesn't have a plan b, when he's won a lot of games by switching it up, he beat Spurs comfortably twice by conceding possession (they had 50% around in both games in the league against them).

    Plan B has just as much of a chance on flopping matter of fact I've seen plan B fail more, Pep used it against Liverpool lol he played 4 ATB with 3 CB and a midfielder in the winger position in the first leg, which was his pragmatic approach and got punished for it.

    In football their are 2 basic approach either you take initiative or you punish those who take initiative, Pep, Sarri, Tuchel are type who take initiative, while Klopp, Conte, Mou and the current RM don't take initiative. It's the reason why you lot all struggle in the league, when the team gives them the ball they don't know what to do with it.

    Klopp record against Conte 1-2-1, against Mou 0-3-1 and against Pep 4-1-1.

    Against Pep Klopp plays over to top to take advantage of his high line, he can't do that against Mou or Conte as they focus on defense, however neither Conte or Mou are good with the offensive side to their games, hence why they call cancel each other out at the end. Even in the CL Klopp faced more attacking oriented teams then defensive ones.

    In terms of league as a long as a big screw up doesn't happen Pep should have that in the bag, as I see neither Mou/Klopp actually challenging him as they will be dealt with the smaller teams, as they have been these past 2-3 seasons, which their plan b has been nowhere to deal with them. Your right Pep issue will be teams like Klopp in CL at the end and he needs to find away around that if he wants to taste CL glory again, but he'll still have domestic glory at the end of the day or maybe he'll avoid those teams in the CL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cule For Life View Post
    Klopp record against Conte 1-2-1, against Mou 0-3-1 and against Pep 4-1-1.

    Against Pep Klopp plays over to top to take advantage of his high line, he can't do that against Mou or Conte as they focus on defense, however neither Conte or Mou are good with the offensive side to their games, hence why they call cancel each other out at the end. Even in the CL Klopp faced more attacking oriented teams then defensive ones.

    In terms of league as a long as a big screw up doesn't happen Pep should have that in the bag, as I see neither Mou/Klopp actually challenging him as they will be dealt with the smaller teams, as they have been these past 2-3 seasons, which their plan b has been nowhere to deal with them. Your right Pep issue will be teams like Klopp in CL at the end and he needs to find away around that if he wants to taste CL glory again, but he'll still have domestic glory at the end of the day or maybe he'll avoid those teams in the CL.
    But don't you think it's about him and not Klopp? You are right that Klopp will take advantage of his high line, but Pep will play the same way (with his highline) 10/10 times against Klopp. And not just Klopp, against everybody.

    He has no plan b. If you need a goal, bring in an attacker. But that won't often work. If you bring Paco for Suarez, nothing will change. The opponent will block us the same way. We still won't be able to cross nor play from corners.

    I agree about the league. Nobody's taking it from Pep.

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    Pep would destroy Mou in the CL, Conte too. Klopp has the right players and the right system to counter Guardiola's (as he did at Dortmund too) but Mourinho's football will simply not work in the CL against a truly dominant offensive side. Klopp actually plays brave transition football which is what you need to beat Pep.

    The notion of "defense wins championships" or "defense is the main key in KO tournaments" is just straight up BS and one of the stupidest myths I have ever heard. RM destroyed Juve and beat Atleti 2x in 3 CL finals (2014 they were actually vastly superior offensively to Atletico, 2016 they were not). Barca destroyed Juve in 14/15. Germany outclassed Argentina in the WC. etc. etc.

    If a team is playing high octane offense and is able to create many good opportunities to get forward, 9/10 times they WILL dominate the defensive team in a KO leg. It only doesn't work if the better offensive team gets outpressed and plays stagnant, unable to get forward and actually create good looks around the opponent's final third (like Barca vs Atleti in 2014, vs Juve in 2017). And that is more telling of Barca's dysfunctional offensive flow than either opponent team's defensive prowess, as they were allowed to settle into the compressed shape they desired. Once those sides went up against a competent offense they were more or less destroyed. Atletico 2015/16 was actually a great offensive side and was able to go punch for punch offensively against Barca, Bayern, AND RM.

    The only example otherwise is the biggest fluke win ever in Chelsea, who were insanely lucky to beat two sides (Barca and Bayern) that were thoroughly dominating them on the offensive end and barely failed to finish their chances. It took a 1 in a million type event for the defensive side to win.
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    The reason he left barca clearly had to do with the fact that laporta left & those who replaced him weren't to his liking, not that he would have stayed & been our SAF

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    Pep doesn't have a plan B? The man is like the king of plan B's how many big games as he played & thrown something completely different at his opposition? Over his career too many to count.

    If anything I would say he as too many plan B's and in certain games if he had just stuck to what he was always going it would have come out better, every big game he tries to throw a rinkle in the game plan.

    But for some people a plan B is going defensive or playing a 8" giant up front to score a goal.

    Things that he will never do.

    Zidane wins a few CL, 1 lucky one 1 league title & all of a sudden pep as no plan B, the man who as won what 15 cups in his career because he should be winning The CL every other season?

    His football is next to impossible to stop in the league & cup competitions is all about the details sometimes you get it wrong other times you get it right other times the ref comes in & bails you out, other times the opposition hands you a Victory with there fuck ups.

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    Pep may win here and there - understatement of the century

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    He couldn't possibly replicate what he did with Barca again. Barca fell few steps down in financial power and there is no once in a lifetime generation to take over.

    Leave the memories where they belong. That pep is dead anyway.

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