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    Quote Originally Posted by MessiCam View Post
    Sometimes I wonder if you’ve really watched Barça as long as you say you have.

    Xavi was not a key player at the time at all. He was a bit player... I think it was late 90’s and he was still a kid himself but was struggling under van Gaal and a still under 30 Pep who was brilliant as ever. Xavi only started changing perceptions when Rijkaard signed Davids and when he was moved from DM to CM. The fans and the media were all over him even during that period under Rijkaard. They called him useless, a windscreen wiper and they said Davids made him look good. He had a lot of critics but didn’t resort to this sort of stuff that Gomes did.

    Wouldn’t surprise me if this was planned by his management to push through a cheap transfer in the summer. I don’t think it’s coincidence that he bares all the day after Arthur’s option is announced.

    Professional players just don’t do this sort of thing while at the club. You usually hear about this sort of thing after they’ve left or when there’s a breakdown between the player and the club.

    But that might just be the conspiracy theorist in me. What do I know?
    I didn't read forums back then when Rijkaard was a coach and I have no idea WHO called Xavi useless, lol.

    Xavi in 2004, he really looks useless (lol).
    In this match, he is younger than Gomes and Rafinha. He is as old as Denis. And is only 1 year older than a current Samper, for example.


    Under Rijkaard, in early years, our best players were Ronaldinho and Etoo, and our creators (besides Ronaldinho) were Xavi and Deco.
    Other players with some key impact were Puyol as a CB and VanBronckhorst as a LB.

    He was our 3rd best player, or in the worst case, 4th best player.

    Personally, Xavi was my favorite player even in 2002'.

    Again, there was a lot of posters in previous years with the same story as you, how Xavi was more or less an average guy before Pep.
    I can't go through that one more time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MessiCam View Post
    Sometimes I wonder if you’ve really watched Barça as long as you say you have.

    Xavi was not a key player at the time at all. He was a bit player... I think it was late 90’s and he was still a kid himself but was struggling under van Gaal and a still under 30 Pep who was brilliant as ever. Xavi only started changing perceptions when Rijkaard signed Davids and when he was moved from DM to CM. The fans and the media were all over him even during that period under Rijkaard. They called him useless, a windscreen wiper and they said Davids made him look good. He had a lot of critics but didn’t resort to this sort of stuff that Gomes did.

    Wouldn’t surprise me if this was planned by his management to push through a cheap transfer in the summer. I don’t think it’s coincidence that he bares all the day after Arthur’s option is announced.

    Professional players just don’t do this sort of thing while at the club. You usually hear about this sort of thing after they’ve left or when there’s a breakdown between the player and the club.

    But that might just be the conspiracy theorist in me. What do I know?
    I wasnt that happy with Xavi either in that period. He had a surge period under Van Gaal but then he stagnated a bit. Under Rijkaard he also wasn't brilliant as we remember him. Truth be told had that big injury in 2005/2006.

    Maybe I didn't appreciate him as I should back then as I did under Pep, hard to say now.

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    Xavi never changed, only the style of football he played suddenly became highly praised by critics and the football world when Pep took over and Barcelona became really dominant with tiki taka.
    Xavi as an individual footballer always played 100+ passes a game and dictated play. But having 5 ft 6/7 central midfielders wasn't seen as favorable before Pep, and for some reason it's a misconception that he was average before 2008. Despite the higher number of international caps and club appearances he already amounted before then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    I didn't read forums back then when Rijkaard was a coach and I have no idea WHO called Xavi useless, lol.

    Xavi in 2004, he really looks useless (lol).
    In this match, he is younger than Gomes and Rafinha. He is as old as Denis. And is only 1 year older than a current Samper, for example.

    Is one of the commentators also in EA FIFA games?

    Thanks for the video. A reminder why Xavi is one of my favorite players, if not the favorite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    I didn't read forums back then when Rijkaard was a coach and I have no idea WHO called Xavi useless, lol.

    Xavi in 2004, he really looks useless (lol).
    In this match, he is younger than Gomes and Rafinha. He is as old as Denis. And is only 1 year older than a current Samper, for example.


    Under Rijkaard, in early years, our best players were Ronaldinho and Etoo, and our creators (besides Ronaldinho) were Xavi and Deco.
    Other players with some key impact were Puyol as a CB and VanBronckhorst as a LB.

    He was our 3rd best player, or in the worst case, 4th best player.

    Personally, Xavi was my favorite player even in 2002'.

    Again, there was a lot of posters in previous years with the same story as you, how Xavi was more or less an average guy before Pep.
    I can't go through that one more time.
    Look man, personally I’ve always been a Xavi fan but I’m not going to rewrite history. Xavi himself has spoken about this and only receiving recognition after 2008 Euros.

    A YouTube video is nothing because it ignores 99% of the other stuff.

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    real madrid wanted to poach xavi bfore the 2008 euros, he certainly wasn't a nobody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    I didn't read forums back then when Rijkaard was a coach and I have no idea WHO called Xavi useless, lol.

    Xavi in 2004, he really looks useless (lol).
    In this match, he is younger than Gomes and Rafinha. He is as old as Denis. And is only 1 year older than a current Samper, for example.


    Under Rijkaard, in early years, our best players were Ronaldinho and Etoo, and our creators (besides Ronaldinho) were Xavi and Deco.
    Other players with some key impact were Puyol as a CB and VanBronckhorst as a LB.

    He was our 3rd best player, or in the worst case, 4th best player.

    Personally, Xavi was my favorite player even in 2002'.

    Again, there was a lot of posters in previous years with the same story as you, how Xavi was more or less an average guy before Pep.
    I can't go through that one more time.
    At times Marqeus performed better than Puyol . He was as important as Puyol during his stint at Barca

    Quote Originally Posted by fergus90 View Post
    Xavi never changed, only the style of football he played suddenly became highly praised by critics and the football world when Pep took over and Barcelona became really dominant with tiki taka.
    Xavi as an individual footballer always played 100+ passes a game and dictated play. But having 5 ft 6/7 central midfielders wasn't seen as favorable before Pep, and for some reason it's a misconception that he was average before 2008. Despite the higher number of international caps and club appearances he already amounted before then.
    Xavi was voted as best player of Euro 2008 ( Pep took over in the summer of 2008)

    Xavi was one of our best players when we won Cl under Rijkaard
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nothanks View Post
    real madrid wanted to poach xavi bfore the 2008 euros, he certainly wasn't a nobody.
    People consistently said the same exact thing about Andre Gomes as a means of somehow excusing how bad he is.

    Real Madrid wanting a player should really not be used as some sort of gold star.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God Serena View Post
    People consistently said the same exact thing about Andre Gomes as a means of somehow excusing how bad he is.

    Real Madrid wanting a player should really not be used as some sort of gold star.
    In Xavi's case the club was listening to offers from Man Utd and Milan. That's how bad the situation was... He was still a kid though and playing in the same position and under a club legend like Pep must have taken it's toll.

    If remember correctly, it was Xavi's mother who stepped in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God Serena View Post
    People consistently said the same exact thing about Andre Gomes as a means of somehow excusing how bad he is.
    Real Madrid wanting a player should really not be used as some sort of gold star.
    right... but it means top teams wanted him and he was scouted and rated highly.

    messi was also almost poached / heavily scouted by real madrid when he was 17, you cannot simply use gomes as the standard lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nothanks View Post
    real madrid wanted to poach xavi bfore the 2008 euros, he certainly wasn't a nobody.
    99.9% of RM wanted player A or B from us at that time (and probably at any time) was fake. And Xavi probably had a lower buyout than 200M anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by RMU ReBorn View Post
    Xavi was one of our best players when we won Cl under Rijkaard
    No, he was injured in first half of the season (November) and didn't play again with us in that season except after won Liga to prepare him for world cup. we won the CL with Deco,Edmilson and Van Bommel midfield with Motta and Iniesta on the bench

    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    I didn't read forums back then when Rijkaard was a coach and I have no idea WHO called Xavi useless, lol.

    Xavi in 2004, he really looks useless (lol).
    In this match, he is younger than Gomes and Rafinha. He is as old as Denis. And is only 1 year older than a current Samper, for example.

    Under Rijkaard, in early years, our best players were Ronaldinho and Etoo, and our creators (besides Ronaldinho) were Xavi and Deco.
    Other players with some key impact were Puyol as a CB and VanBronckhorst as a LB.

    He was our 3rd best player, or in the worst case, 4th best player.
    Xavi was a quality starter for big team, but that where it ends for him prior to 2008. His defense was awful and he was ball watching all the time. he was a good regista but had many flaws too. The idea that he ws gonna end being consdierd a legend prior to 2008 was laughable at that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khaled_a_d View Post
    99.9% of RM wanted player A or B from us at that time (and probably at any time) was fake. And Xavi probably had a lower buyout than 200M anyway.



    No, he was injured in first half of the season (November) and didn't play again with us in that season except after won Liga to prepare him for world cup. we won the CL with Deco,Edmilson and Van Bommel midfield with Motta and Iniesta on the bench



    Xavi was a quality starter for big team, but that where it ends for him prior to 2008. His defense was awful and he was ball watching all the time. he was a good regista but had many flaws too. The idea that he ws gonna end being consdierd a legend prior to 2008 was laughable at that time.
    I said he was one of our best player during that time . Didn't said that he was influential during that particular season
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    Interviewer: "What do you mean when you say you suffered at the beginning of your Barcelona's career?"

    Xavi: "People used to tell me that I was the cancer of Barça, that I did not have the ability to play for this club. That with me, we would never win the Champions League.."

    Xavi: "They said that Iniesta and I were incompatible. Visionaries.. Iniesta and Xavi together on the ground? It was a 'Impossible' until the arrival of Rijkaard and Luis Aragonés. It's them who made us play together for the first time. They believed in us."

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    Has an official Instagram account as of today @xavi

    Just Busi left now

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    https://twitter.com/i/moments/975042230841958402

    Very interesting interview. He clearly has a very deep understanding of the game. I would like to see him back here in a couple years as the manager, but I doubt he would be able to implement his ideas successfully without super talented technical players.

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