Real Madrid

[Beast]

not valid this is real. there is no transition period.

It should be "there is ALWAYS a transition period "

[barcetia]

Yep Balouda.. loved by the fans and he love the club and the fans too..
It's always is Estel after buying many players and having a new manager , i do believe they will keep Jose for the second season and provide some sort of stability .
The board like to see more Benz and Morata however it's Jose call at the end .. still the new of Higuain out for year put us in a position where we do need to buy
if Benzema is injured what are we going to do ? CR is not suitable against some tactics and putting such pressure on young Morata is killing him .
we will need to secure a loan or get Ruud.. and we just have 7 days to finalize all

If Real was another club, you would have included Morata way earlier, as we did with Pedro or we are doing with Thiago. If yo uwould have played him in some Lliga matches, he wouldn't have felt the pressure AS much...

[AnfieldEd]

Double black, what about you ?

He's too young to drink that.

[barcetia]

It should be "there is ALWAYS a transition period "

well depends on. not in the beginning, it's not seen as a transition period but it becomes it when people realize that the players bought really aren't / can't play as good together as they used to in their previous teams. => shit in the end.

a transition period for me is when a club makes young buys, doesn't aim for 1st place. real defo aims at first place and copas.

[FCBarca]

Del Nido already preparing for Mou's typical refereeing 'interferences' by pledging to have additional security around the officiating crew for the match with Sevilla

[Beast]

If Real was another club, you would have included Morata way earlier, as we did with Pedro or we are doing with Thiago. If yo uwould have played him in some Lliga matches, he wouldn't have felt the pressure AS much...

And is that why Pedro played for the first team when he was 3 years older than Morata ?
Morata is 18 year old.. Pedro started to play in the first team at the age of 21.. Iniesta started to be a starter at the age of 23
Thiago is send to B team for a reason.. he is as young as Morata.
both are not yet ready for the first team .. just because the likes of Raul and Messi started early doesn't mean everyone else will shine @ the same stage

well depends on. not in the beginning, it's not seen as a transition period but it becomes it when people realize that the players bought really aren't / can't play as good together as they used to in their previous teams. => shit in the end.

a transition period for me is when a club makes young buys, doesn't aim for 1st place. real defo aims at first place and copas.

Transition period is when you change the dynamics and personnel for the team and that's what happened in Real
Was Pepe-Albiol , now Pepe -Carvalho
was Lass-Xabi now Sami-Xabi
CR-Kaka behind two strikers
now you have CR-Ozil-Di Maria behind Benzema Or Higuain
repeat when you compare those to Sneijder-Robben team
there is always a transition period with Real , it's just never ends and that's the main problem and it has nothing to do with playing together .. has everything to do with waiting till they gel at times they never have the time for it .
add the change in manager/formation/management and you have a deja vu again

that's why i hope Jose stays .. win or lose the team needs to keep up it's shape , a trophy even as small and irrelevant for me as Copa Del Rey will help

[Xavi_78]

As we are already talking about transition periods and coach waste I have a question for Beast/Wolfe which I always wanted to ask. It refers to del Bosque and his exit from Madrid. As far as I understand he was treated very badly from the board regardless of his succes (some would say worse than a dog) and the fact that he dedicated his life to the club. So what I do not understand is why so many Madridistas welcomed back Perez with open arms even if he not only fired but discarded one of the most succesful coaches the club ever had? This is not a dig but pure interest as I was not following football that much during that time.

[Raed]

As we are already talking about transition periods and coach waste I have a question for Beast/Wolfe which I always wanted to ask. It refers to del Bosque and his exit from Madrid. As far as I understand he was treated very badly from the board regardless of his succes (some would say worse than a dog) and the fact that he dedicated his life to the club. So what I do not understand is why so many Madridistas welcomed back Perez with open arms even if he not only fired but discarded one of the most succesful coaches the club ever had? This is not a dig but pure interest as I was not following football that much during that time.

Welcomed him with open arms? He basically walked in unopposed. The fans had no choice because of a conservative clause set up by the club. Perez was the only one able to match the deposit required by the club from his personal wealth.

[FCBarca]

Throw in the fact that there was a debacle with Calderon's tenure that allowed just about anyone to slot in...And with Perez and his money, who else was really going to run against him?

[Xavi_78]

Welcomed him with open arms? He basically walked in unopposed. The fans had no choice because of a conservative clause set up by the club. Perez was the only one able to match the deposit required by the club from his personal wealth.

I mean the fans I talked to in forums who were very happy to see him back and I find that so strange after what he did to del Bosque who seems such a decent man. I know that sounds naive and sentimental (hey, but as I am a girl it is my right to be) but he seemed to live for this club and was then treated in such a cruel way, and the whole thing makes me really sad.

[Raed]

I mean the fans I talked to in forums who were very happy to see him back and I find that so strange after what he did to del Bosque who seems such a decent man. I know that sounds naive and sentimental (hey, but as I am a girl it is my right to be) but he seemed to live for this club and was then treated in such a cruel way, and the whole thing makes me really sad.

Not everybody is a 15 year old fan, only a few so they probably do not remember what he said about Makalele, and what he did to Hierro and Del Bosque. They remember the glamor that came with bringing in Beckham and so forth. I don't blame them they just weren't old enough.

However when Perez came back he did bring back 2 figures that were important to today's Real Madrid, Zidane and Valdano, those who pretty much steer the club in the right direction until Perez gets the itch and interferes every now and then, a la Benzema.

[Beast]

As we are already talking about transition periods and coach waste I have a question for Beast/Wolfe which I always wanted to ask. It refers to del Bosque and his exit from Madrid. As far as I understand he was treated very badly from the board regardless of his succes (some would say worse than a dog) and the fact that he dedicated his life to the club. So what I do not understand is why so many Madridistas welcomed back Perez with open arms even if he not only fired but discarded one of the most succesful coaches the club ever had? This is not a dig but pure interest as I was not following football that much during that time.

Those are two questions not related to each other
A mixture of many things..
First Del Bosque.. Perez (back than he was the man fully in charge ) wasn't happy with Del Bosque after all the man was hired by non other than his arch nemesis Sanz who overseen two CL in his era despite many wrong financial call , so add some of the subs made(Popular players on the bench , refusal to go on extended tours..etc ) , wanted to let go of more old school players ( a year before Makelele was sent packing for Beckham ) the grandiose idea of a fully attacking team disregarding the defense.. so Del Bosque being Del Bosque pointed out the need to buy a DM to cut a long story short they turned him down and the team split into two
the Raulista and the Hierroista ...Raul protecting his position from the fierce competition of on form Ronaldo and El Moro played with Perez vs Del Bosque..
he wasn't sent packing but his contract was finished and not renewed , same thing for the Captain and leader Hierro
needless to the say the result was disastrous from Quieroz who was bought mainly to accommodate David Beckham (who caused a frenzy of fans and money generated for the club )
Del Bosque was angry not from the club but from Perez and his cronnies that's why attempts to lure him back under Calderon failed as Calderon was Perez man , Del Bosque remains our club man who spend his entire life in the club ..
the blame lies in two people , Raul Gonzalez and Perez.. the former was a very strong figure with the fans and as always protected his position in the starting line up by every means possible and Perez saw the benefit of looks (financially ) when Beckham joined .. Quieroz and after that Lux was more a handsome man in charge which is excellent for posters and commercial value (this is a billionaire businessman don't forget )
it was a fantasy dream for Perez mixing both looks and style and the club paid heavily for it .. but i think the lesson is learned as seen by the players bought this time around and who is charge.

why he was elected ? simply because of Calderon.. Madridista must maintain their prestige among other clubs despite Calderon good intentions he lacked confidence and screwed up our relation with almost everyone .. B Munich , United , Milan...etc
they did the transfers the wrong way and it affected Real prestige , add to that he always said the wrong words to the extent he became the bottom of jokes, he tried to cheat in the general assembly of the socios, the 6-2 was the last sign of any form of opposition to Perez return
..Perez coming back while he represent the exact opposite is what Madridista needed at that time... even those who thought of running against him found total support from our Socios.. he didn't even need to run an election
everyone knew Perez deliver his promises , as sneaky as you can get , excellent relation with everyone even our rivals and the result ? Kaka which Calderon failed to get he got him and signed a cooperation agreement with Milan giving both clubs first option on each other players .. CR price was Calderon mistake (signed him for all that money and put a penalty if one of the clubs wanted to cancel the deal worth 30 mil as penalty ) so it was either pay 96 million for CR or pay 30 Million Euro penalty ..
in short he was the best one around and white platform (the opposition anti-Perez group ) didn't provide substantial ideas to lure our Socios
The difference this time is that Perez isn't anything except a president , the man behind the throne is fan favourite Valdano , if Perez was in charge like the first stint for example he wouldn't last past the Lyon fiasco .
We trust Valdano and all we can hope for is more stability

[Xavi_78]

And what is your personal opinion regarding this del Bosque / Perez situation?

[FCBarca]

Gotta think though...There's going to be a lot of pressure to get Valdano to resign this summer, I believe...Mou vs Valdano isn't going to stop being an issue

[woobie]

If it came down to it, I'm not at all sure Mourinho'd win that fight though. Granted, I am not an expert in things having to do with Madrid but my sense is that Valdano is in a pretty strong position.