Thiago Alcantara

Devils said:

Makes perfect sense.

Bayern has over 8 midfielders in the squad, Thiago has had huge issues with injuries, is no longer even guaranteed a starting spot and has never lived up to the level that most expected of him when he was younger. Like I said, he's not on any higher level to what Cesc Fabregas was at his age.

On top of all that (as DonAK) posted both Uli and KHR have said they are going to sell midfielders.

But keep deluding to yourself that Bayern are going to demand hundreds of millions for him.

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Jombi said:

Never have I said that "hundreds of millions" is needed. Thats something you make up again, just like your Lemar for 100m+ nonsense.

You bring up flops like Gotze and Benatia as proof that they are willing to sell. Thats besides the point. If Bayern see Thiago as crucial for their future, they wont simply get rid of him. "Selling midfielders" is very different than them claiming that Thiago is for sale. If they dont want him, we should be running to get him. Thats a rock bottom price for a player far superior to anything else than can be had for that price.

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Devils said:

The only one speaking nonsense here is you mate. Once again crying and whining how players are attainable despite everything pointing to otherwise.

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Jombi said:

I dont see any "crying and whining" here. I just see a discussion. No reason to get so upset about this. I've said numerous times that we should absolutely sign Thiago for such a rock bottom price. Bayern would be foolish to sell at that price in this market. The fact that you use Lemar as an indication that Thiago should be cheaper than him just proves my point. I have yet to see any indication that he is actually available for such a price though.

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Devils said:

'Rock bottom'

Again with the bs lol...50-70m is rock bottom for a player who at the prime age of 27 couldn't get into Spain's starting team over the likes of 34 yr old Iniesta or 32 yr old Silva, is now being deemed by his club manager a possibly being an excess to the team and who's directors have hinted of being for sale and on top of that being ridiculously injury prone through his entire career.

You make it sound like it's the task of signing prime Luka Modric...

Maybe, jut maybe, these directors and managers don't value Thiago anywhere near the level you make him out to be and maybe 50-70m for him isn't so ridiculous given players at a similar level to him i.e. Jorginho, Keita, Fabinho have all had transfer fees in that range this window.

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Jombi said:

Even if we ignore that the Bayern chairman dismissed the Thiago rumors as nonsense just a few days ago and that he is staying, 50-70m is crazy low in this market. I'd love to see it be true. Thiago is on a completely different level than Jorginho while players like Keita and Fabinho come from small selling clubs and are value signings. Of course they are not going to cost 150m. Thats why I wanted us to sign those two last summer. They would offer value in the market, low risk high reward type of signings as they are not established stars.

Thiago for 60m is a no brainer.

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Devils said:

You see Thiago for that price as being unbelievable bargain bin deal too good to pass.

Meanwhile, the first thing that any club professional when looking into his valuation will see this:

https://www.transfermarkt.com/thiago/verletzungen/spieler/60444

Now I shouldn't need to tell you that:

1) A player who is as injured as much as he is not a player you would want to have a significant midfield reliance on, hence why Bayern are likely trying to offload him.
2) A player who has an injury history as big as his will have a devaluation on his transfer fee
3) Players generally don't get less injury prone as they get older, in fact their injury rate tends to increase. So when assessing giving a fat 5 year contract with big wages to a very injury prone 27 year old, proper risk assessment will have to be conducted.
4) Players who are highly injury prone decline faster

This guy come with big risk. Much bigger risk than someone like Jorginho who has basically never had a injury at the professional level.

So thinking someone like Thiago, who in reality isn't even on the level of the elite midfielders and has huge injury problems, is worth astronomical fees is this market is more unreasonable than not.

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maldhowayanr said:

^ Thiago needs us more than we need him. He is not the golden boy anymore, and Pep is not there to protect him. Munich's board know well that his price is not getting any higher next season and they would rather give minutes to R. Sanchez

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maldhowayanr said:

^ he did well in the friendlies and they cannot get rid of him because of his wages. And you do realize that Thiago would never accept to be a sub? and Munich is not willing to sacrifice their season for Thiago who could potentially get injured when he is much needed.

James was bought for only 55m when he was 26, why would we spend anything above 50m?

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Neeraj said:

Looking at the situation, I don't see any reason why Barca and Bayern can't come up with an agreeable price for the sale of Thiago. If I was Bayern, I may look to offload him too; he's just a very risky expensive asset to have, considering his injuries and they have many other midfielders to cover his position.

Barca are desperately looking to get some panache back into the midfield, and might be happy to get him back at the right price. It's one of those potentially win-win deal from the two clubs' perspective.

My personal view is that though he's a very good player, he's just too injury prone. There's just no denying that, and it's too risky a move unless we get a really good deal, at which point it might be worth the gamble.

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