Premier League 2020/2021

Who will win the Premier League?

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KingLeo10

KingLeo10

Senior Member
Not going to lie, this only shows how impressive SAF was. It's hard to remain at the top in football for 20 years like he did.
 
serghei

serghei

Senior Member
Too bad they don't also have Otamendi. Or else he would've caused a penalty as well no doubt. :lol:

KingLeo10 said:
Not going to lie, this only shows how impressive SAF was. It's hard to remain at the top in football for 20 years like he did.
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Best man manager no doubt. How he managed to reinvent himself time and time again and turn the page after bad periods was impressive.
 
Givenchy

Givenchy

Senior Member
serghei said:
Would be a good option to try to bring Guardiola back and build a new cycle here. Would give it a shot.
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I'll always have respect for him for what he achieved here but nah, I rather look elsewhere.

Guardiola is a cheque book manager these days and we don't have the money. give me a Klopp style manager any day
 
xXKonan

xXKonan

Senior Member
Yeah I don't think getting Dias is going to change much for that backline.

Just pure shithousry going on back there.
 
M

Morten

Senior Member
serghei said:
Too bad they don't also have Otamendi. Or else he would've caused a penalty as well no doubt. :lol:



Best man manager no doubt. How he managed to reinvent himself time and time again and turn the page after bad periods was impressive.
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And considering his accent was barely coherent, makes that even more impressive.
 
BBZ8800

BBZ8800

Senior Member
serghei said:
3-4 years is usually a football cycle. This happens to all managers. Dortmund under Klopp were absolutely terrible in his last year there.

It's not so much opponents finding you out as you declining after a period, due to natural wear and tear. After a few years you just can't produce the same consistency and the same high level anymore.
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You are neglecting the part of people's IQ.

I wrote before: imagine if you are playing any game, let's say real life football with friends or PES/FIFA on Playstation.
If you play PES/FIFA and if you are very good at the beginning and your opponent is a rookie, you will win 5:0 or 10:0 every match in the beginning.
If you will play EXACTLY THE SAME for 30 days in a row against him, he will get better and better each new day, he will learn how you are attacking, he will learn how to stop you and he will find ways how to create more and more chances against you.
So, do we agree:
1. on the first day: you will win 10:0
2. after 30 days, if you will play exactly the same and if your opponent will improve every day, results will be something like 2:1 or 3:2 for you, much closer than on the first day.

The same is with football and Pep.
He don't have too much room for improvement.
While his weaker opponents have lots of room to learn and evolve.

There is also that element of shock because EPL teams weren't used to play against that type of football.

You guys decline to accept it, but it is not just tear and wear.
If you would give 3B to Pep to spend, his team would still struggle more than in his 2nd season.
Because teams learned how his team attacks.

I don't watch City that much, but after a few matches, I spotted a few attacking patterns which they repeat all the time.
And coaches who earn billions aren't idiots.
They watch matches and tapes all the time.
They have also learned 5-10 classical tricks from Pep and his players and it is way harder for them now.

People often talk about Cruijff here.
But even Cruijff said after 3 winning seasons in 1993 (iirc): we can't do it this way anymore. Teams have figured us out, we need to reinvent some new tricks if we want to win again.

I am writing this, because a huge majority of our fans still believe: that NOTHING is wrong with Pep's style from 2008-2011, and that it stopped working only because we haven't executed it properly after that.
WHAT IF we DID execute it properly, but it became sterile and toothless because teams have figured us out?

Every single winning system in the history of football got figured out over time and became a part of the past.
Yet, a lot of our fans act as if Pep's/Cruijff's style is a divine style who will never be figured out and who will always work: IF EXECUTED properly.

That style could work in the future ONLY if we'll delete 30-40% of it and add 30-40% new things like current Bayern/Liverpool for example.

Cruijff himself got figured out at least twice during his tenure at Barca.
Pep got figured out in 2012 and now for the last 2 years at City.

The same happened with Spanish NT.

Coincidence?
Of course not.

** Edit: 2:5 lol.
Pep will soon reach Barca's fate with this rate.
 
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serghei

serghei

Senior Member
BBZ8800 said:
You are neglecting the part of people's IQ.

I wrote before: imagine if you are playing any game, let's say real life football with friends or PES/FIFA on Playstation.
If you play PES/FIFA and if youa re very good at the beginning and your opponent is a rookie, you will win 5:0 or 10:0 every match in the beginning.
If you will play EXACTLY THE SAME for 30 days in a row against him, he will get better and better each new day, he will learn how you are attacking, he will learn how to stop you and he will find ways how to create more and more chances against you.
So, do we agree:
1. on the first day: you will win 10:0
2. after 30 days, if you will play exactly the same and if your opponent will improve every day, results will be something like 2:1 or 3:2 for you, much closer than in the first day.

The same is with football and Pep.
He don't have too much room for improvement.
While his weaker opponents have lost of room to learn and evolve.

There is also that element of shock because EPL teams weren't used to play against that type of football.

You guys decline to accept it, but it is not just tear and wear.
If you would give 3B to Pep to spend, his team would still struggle more than in his 2nd season.
Because teams learned how his team attacks.

I don't watch City that much, but after a few matches, I spotted a few attacking patterns which they repeat all the time.
And coaches who earn billions aren't idiots.
They watch matches and tapes all the time.
They have also learned 5-10 classical tricks from Pep and his players and it is way harder for them now.

People often talk about Cruijff here.
But even Cruijff said after 3 winning seasons in 1993 (iirc): we can't do it this way anymore. Teams have figured us out, we need to reinvent some new tricks if we want to win again.

I am writing this, because a huge majority of our fans still believe: that NOTHING is wrong with Pep's style from 2008-2011, and that it stopped working only because we haven't executed it properly after that.
WHAT IF we DID execute it properly, but it became sterile and toothless because teams have figured us out?

Every single winning system in the history of football got figured out over time and became a part of the past.
Yet, a lot of our fans act as if Pep's/Cruijff's style is a divine style who will never be figured out and who will always work: IF EXECUTED properly.

That style could work in the future ONLY if we'll delete 30-40% of it and add 30-40% new things like current Bayern/Liverpool for example.

Cruijff himself got figured out at least twice during his tenure at Barca.
Pep got figured out in 2012 and now for the last 2 years at City.

The same happened with Spanish NT.

Coincidence?
Of course not.

** Edit: 2:5 lol.
Pep will soon reach Barca's fate with this rate.
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This is a cyclic argument imo. It's obvious that as time passes and opponents get to play you again and again and again they will get to practice more and more and will get better at blocking you. I'm not disputing that. It's obvious some evolution happens on the side of the opponent. But it's not the main reason why great teams (wouldn't call City a great team but still) decline. The main reason why they decline is that they just can't keep up doing the same routine at the highest level. That stress and that peak can only be handled for 3-5 years.

If 2009 or 2011 Barca would play today, a fresh team, they would dominate any team and would be favorite for every trophy. After 3-4 years they would again start to lose steam and would be losing more and more to sides they would have beaten in the past.
 
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