Quique Setien

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
I think you do not fully grasp the magnitude of having the 3 best midfielders in the world (2 for sure, 1 debatable), some of the best strikers in the world, one of the best right backs of all time, some of the best CBs in the world and fierce leader like Puyol.

Well, isn't that his point? We were the team with best players, so it was players quality rather than our style.
Same for RM, CR7,Modric,Ramos,Kroos etc. They had best quality in the tournament and won it 4 times in 5 years. Tough to say it was because a certain style.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Well, isn't that his point? We were the team with best players, so it was players quality rather than our style.
Same for RM, CR7,Modric,Ramos,Kroos etc. They had best quality in the tournament and won it 4 times in 5 years. Tough to say it was because a certain style.

It was Great manager + Style + Best players + La Masia exploding at once + Messi factor.

In terms of single influence on that team becoming what it was, Guardiola no doubt had the biggest role, then Messi and Xavi on the same tier for different reasons.

We are different compared with Madrid. We usually are at our best when we find the right players for our style. And when we perfect our style, we usually win the double, or the treble, while smashing everyone.

The problem is people give Rijkaard as example of not our style. There are only minor differences between the 2006 team and the 2009 team.
 
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khaled_a_d

Senior Member
It was Great manager + Style + Best players + La Masia exploding at once + Messi factor.

In terms of single influence on that team becoming what it was, Guardiola no doubt had the biggest role, then Messi and Xavi on the same tier for different reasons.

We are different compared with Madrid. We usually are at our best when we find the right players for our style. And when we perfect our style, we usually win the double, or the treble, while smashing everyone.

The problem is people give Rijkaard as example of not our style. There are only minor differences between the 2006 team and the 2009 team.

Hmm, I think both Lucho & Rijkaard played different style than Pep.
We play attacking football all the time, but we do it in different ways
Not sure I agree that there were "minor difference"between 2006 & 2009
Puyol Marquez Oleaguer Gio vs Puyol Pique Alves Abidal
Edmilson Deco Van Bommel vs Yaya Xavi & Iniesta
R10 Eto Giuly vs Messi Henry Eto

Basically there were just only 3 common starters in this team (VV,Puyol & Eto) while playing different brand of football.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Hmm, I think both Lucho & Rijkaard played different style than Pep.
We play attacking football all the time, but we do it in different ways
Not sure I agree that there were "minor difference"between 2006 & 2009
Puyol Marquez Oleaguer Gio vs Puyol Pique Alves Abidal
Edmilson Deco Van Bommel vs Yaya Xavi & Iniesta
R10 Eto Giuly vs Messi Henry Eto

Basically there were just only 3 common starters in this team (VV,Puyol & Eto) while playing different brand of football.

Yea it was.

That midfield when everyone was fit had a DM (Edmilson), and AM (Deco), and a CM (Xavi). How is it that much different than Yaya Toure (DM) or Busi later, Xavi (CM), and Iniesta (AM)?

It's not. Defense is defense. Not much different.

Attack was Eto'o who was playing for both teams as a central striker, Messi who also played RW under Rijkaard, although Giuly played more at that time (Messi had some injury problems). And you have Henry over Ronaldinho since Ronnie was booted.

2009 team was more technical on the ball, that is why it appeared to be different, but if that 2006 was a bit better on the ball and Rijkaard would've been closer to Pep, it would've looked even more similar.

Both teams were good physically, fast teams, quick transition, direct when needed, with strong dribblers. Plenty of the same weapons, just better, and better at keeping the ball due to increased technicality and also better at pressing.

By 2004 I was already a strong Barca fan, and completely identified the 2009 team as the growth of the 2006 side. 2009 team has more resemblance to the 2006 side than what followed in 2011.
 
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khaled_a_d

Senior Member
Yea it was.

That midfield when everyone was fit had a DM (Edmilson), and AM (Deco), and a CM (Xavi). How is it that much different than Yaya Toure (DM) or Busi later, Xavi (CM), and Iniesta (AM)?

Xavi was basically a non factor that year, he isn't part of that success we had that season. A player who didn't even complete group stage. Physicality was huge part of midfield back then and MVB played a huge part in that. Had he stayed we would have at least won Liga next year.
Same -to lesser extent- with Messi, his last significant game was 1st game against Chelsea.

It's not. Defense is defense. Not much different.

Are you joking? So not much difference between Alves and Oleguer :lol:

2009 team was more technical on the ball, that is why it appeared to be different, but if that 2006 was a bit better on the ball and Rijkaard would've been closer to Pep, it would've looked even more similar.

So basically, if we changed our style.
 

El Gato

Villarato!
Are you joking? So not much difference between Alves and Oleguer :lol:

He's not joking. serghei has come up with serious gems lately. Yesterday he made some comment Modrić never did anything better than Iniesta or Xavi, lmao.
His attention span has really suffered through lockdown, he stopped caring whether his takes make the slightest bit of sense from the first sentence to last - something he was guilty of for ages but never got too ridiculous. Now he even doesn't care whether he can back up anything he says. Used to be just a semi-harmless EV hater, but now he's flat out in denial on several matters.

Poor lad. Get some air a bit more often.
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
Xavi and Iniesta are better players than Modric though.

Greater players and a greater legacy. Legacy-wise there might never have been a better player than Iniesta. MOTM in a CL Final, POTT in Euro, World Cup winning goal, UEFA POY.
 

Richard.H

Senior Member
Dani Alves is so criminally underrated by Barca fans. Amazing player who was a big part of Pep’s system. Shame on the club for letting him go so easily
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Dani Alves is so criminally underrated by Barca fans. Amazing player who was a big part of Pep’s system. Shame on the club for letting him go so easily

Most Barca fans would have him as up there as best RB ever and if not that certainly in the conversation.
 

KingLeo10

Senior Member
Alves, Marcelo, Cafu, R.Carlos is the best FB quartet.

All Brazilian. :lol:

Also, re. the discussion above. Modric has a better cross in him than Xaviesta IMO. Xaviesta were significantly better at incisive through balls.
 
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BADGERBHOY

Senior Member
Dani Alves is so criminally underrated by Barca fans. Amazing player who was a big part of Pep’s system. Shame on the club for letting him go so easily

I rate him as the best right back in my lifetime. I couldnt rate him any higher. His partnership with Messi down the right side is the stuff of fitba dreams.
 

Birdy

Senior Member
Yea it was.

That midfield when everyone was fit had a DM (Edmilson), and AM (Deco), and a CM (Xavi). How is it that much different than Yaya Toure (DM) or Busi later, Xavi (CM), and Iniesta (AM)?

It's not. Defense is defense. Not much different.

Attack was Eto'o who was playing for both teams as a central striker, Messi who also played RW under Rijkaard, although Giuly played more at that time (Messi had some injury problems). And you have Henry over Ronaldinho since Ronnie was booted.

2009 team was more technical on the ball, that is why it appeared to be different, but if that 2006 was a bit better on the ball and Rijkaard would've been closer to Pep, it would've looked even more similar.

Both teams were good physically, fast teams, quick transition, direct when needed, with strong dribblers. Plenty of the same weapons, just better, and better at keeping the ball due to increased technicality and also better at pressing.

By 2004 I was already a strong Barca fan, and completely identified the 2009 team as the growth of the 2006 side. 2009 team has more resemblance to the 2006 side than what followed in 2011.

Seriously?
'Attacking football' is such a broad and uniforming category.
So, Klopp's Liverpool, Huynkes' Bayern, Ferguson's UTD, Wenger's Arsenal, and so many other teams can be said to also have played 'attacking football'. And basically any team that did not win a Cup tournament by parking the bus and playing on the counter.
Does that prove any similarity?
Watch a game from '06 and one from '09, they are worlds apart. '06 was still a team that would circulate much less the ball, its positional play was at puberty stage compared to Pep's, it's counter-press likewise, and it didn't advance the midfielders to the position deep in the opposition's area, it never attacked with as much as 6-8 players that Pep's team did. It was a team designed to provide the ball to its attacking weapons (ronaldinho, eto, guily - or rony being the provider himself) in positions to finish chances.
Great team, no question. The same team was not possible to win in '09, it would have been thrashed by ManUtd 07-09 and other teams.
Barca '09 was a revolution already in how football is played.


Same for RM, CR7,Modric,Ramos,Kroos etc. They had best quality in the tournament and won it 4 times in 5 years. Tough to say it was because a certain style.
RM is a different story. Usually they win it by having great individual units, but not a 'style' per se. These were world-class players, but it's difficult to argue they were coordinated to play a specific type of football.

It's a huge understatement, and devaluing of Pep's revolution, to say that the '09 team just had the best players as if we are talking about RM.
Flash-back one year before, at May '08, and the same players (bar Pique and Alves) were suffering a humiliating 4-1 defeat by a mediocre RM coached by Schuster.

And that goes also @BBZ8800:
Yes, Pep found good prime matter at his disposal, but had it not been for him to mold this prime matter into the well-oiled machine he had envisioned, and you maybe would have never seen Messi winning CL.
Messi himself was the product of the work Pep did on him, he would have never evolved like he did
 
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