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    This is the full quote: https://www.sport.es/es/noticias/bar...-barca-7980589

    Setien se?alo: "No s? si nos va a perjudicar o a beneficiar. Creo que a perjudicar, por nuestra manera de jugar". Y lo razon? en que "sabemos que muchos partidos los vamos a resolver en los minutos finales. Si a un rival le das la opci?n que salgan jugadores frescos en ese tiempo, esa debilidad que se genera con jugadores cansados no se va a producir". Eso s?, tambi?n vio aspectos positivos: "Te puede dar recursos en un momento determinado. Es una inc?gnita y veremos c?mo va".

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    Setien said, "I don't know if it's going to hurt us or benefit us. I think it's going to hurt us because of the way that we play. And he reasoned it out by saying that "we know that we're going to settle many games in the final minutes. If you give an opponent the option of fresh players in that time, that weakness that comes with tired players is not going to happen. But he also saw positive aspects: "It can give you resources at a certain time. It's an unknown and we'll see how it goes".

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    Alot of people critical of Setien but what makes you think that Xavi will be better?

    Xavi is incredibly dogmatic when it comes to possession football. There is no other way according to him. If Xavi comes you will see nothing but sterile possession and shitty losses in Cl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barcilliant View Post
    If Xavi comes you will see nothing but sterile possession and shitty losses in Cl.
    And what makes you think that?

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    I think Xavi would be set to fail if he'd come to this team with a lot of his former teammates still here. Unless a new board would do their job and get rid off most of them to make his job easier do people really expect Xavi could go over the friendships he has build with the likes of Busi, Pique and Alba over the years and do the right thing to replace them with younger and more hungrier players in the lineup? I sadly don't so we would waste a first year or two of Xavi to still try to get something out of the old guard. And based on our history it's unlikely any coach stays here for more than 3-4 seasons regardless of his success so if we really believe Xavi can succeed do we really want to waste half of his tenure or wouldn't it be better to make a rebuild of the team (mostly clearing out the old core and bring some younger more motivated players) before he comes back?

    Another reason I wouldn't want him back before 2023/24 it's because I think he also needs to learn to see a football from a different perspective. Remember Pep went to Italy after he left Barca working temporarily under Fabio Capello where he learned the Italian football (Serie A was arguably the best ligue in Europe at that time though teams like Lazio and Parma did start to have financial problems and needed to sell their key players) after playing most of his career here under the influence of the "Ajax school" (Cruyff and LVG). He later also went to Mexico to learn from Juanma Lillo who in Pep's own words had a big influence on his development as a coach though Lillo never was a successfull coach himself.

    Now in Xavi's case he only knows what he has learned at Barca. Or do people expect he has further improved/widden his football knowledge playing and now coaching in Qatar? So personally I think he should go to work in another "football country" and even better under an influence of a good coach who sees football a bit different way (I'm not saying he should go to a coach like Simeone whose football philosophy is almost exactly opposite though Xavi could clearly learn a lot from him as well) than he does, possibly as an assistant for a season or two. But with him already making a solo coaching career in Qatar he would probably consider an assistant manager job in a bigger club as a step back in his career so don't see much chances for this to happen. So while I think he should make his coaching learning curve in another top league team before he's ready to return at the same time I also think it's very likely he'll be our coach from 2021 on so let's hope for the best. I'll give him a chance like I did to every single coach since I'm watching Barca but I just hope fans will be realistic enough to not expect him to have the same immediate impact Pep had in 2008.


    Quote Originally Posted by Alik View Post
    This is the full quote: https://www.sport.es/es/noticias/bar...-barca-7980589

    Setien se?alo: "No s? si nos va a perjudicar o a beneficiar. Creo que a perjudicar, por nuestra manera de jugar". Y lo razon? en que "sabemos que muchos partidos los vamos a resolver en los minutos finales. Si a un rival le das la opci?n que salgan jugadores frescos en ese tiempo, esa debilidad que se genera con jugadores cansados no se va a producir". Eso s?, tambi?n vio aspectos positivos: "Te puede dar recursos en un momento determinado. Es una inc?gnita y veremos c?mo va".

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    Doesn't really seem right for a Barca coach to look for excuses like this though I do think he's right that 5 subs won't really help us. It's more based on the fact our bench is just so short even some midtable teams have more impact subs (obviously of a lesser quality but still) they can bring on than we have. As a coach he can't really say this or it would send the wrong message to the team but we all know outside of Suarez (presummably he'll start some games on the bench after coming back from injury), Fati (who is still very much unproven and we can't expect from him to make a difference in every game) and Braithwaite (he had some positive impact in games he has played but can he do the same regularly for the rest of the season?) we don't really have any impact sub in midfield or defense. And not much depth there either when suspensions and injuries will happen (and I expect a lot of injuries after such a long break).

    So more subs could be useful to keep players fresh and possibly prevent injuries in a very tough schedule ahead playing every 3 days but we just don't have much players who we can bring on when we'll need to score in second half. And in this case it's probably more likely keeping the best XI on the field would give us better odds to win than whatever a 4th or 5th sub player could change. But surely if we'll manage to score early and have a 2 or 3 goals lead with 20 minutes left then having additional subs could be helpful as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Messi983 View Post
    I think Xavi would be set to fail if he'd come to this team with a lot of his former teammates still here. Unless a new board would do their job and get rid off most of them to make his job easier do people really expect Xavi could go over the friendships he has build with the likes of Busi, Pique and Alba over the years and do the right thing to replace them with younger and more hungrier players in the lineup? I sadly don't so we would waste a first year or two of Xavi to still try to get something out of the old guard. And based on our history it's unlikely any coach stays here for more than 3-4 seasons regardless of his success so if we really believe Xavi can succeed do we really want to waste half of his tenure or wouldn't it be better to make a rebuild of the team (mostly clearing out the old core and bring some younger more motivated players) before he comes back?

    Another reason I wouldn't want him back before 2023/24 it's because I think he also needs to learn to see a football from a different perspective. Remember Pep went to Italy after he left Barca working temporarily under Fabio Capello where he learned the Italian football (Serie A was arguably the best ligue in Europe at that time though teams like Lazio and Parma did start to have financial problems and needed to sell their key players) after playing most of his career here under the influence of the "Ajax school" (Cruyff and LVG). He later also went to Mexico to learn from Juanma Lillo who in Pep's own words had a big influence on his development as a coach though Lillo never was a successfull coach himself.

    Now in Xavi's case he only knows what he has learned at Barca. Or do people expect he has further improved/widden his football knowledge playing and now coaching in Qatar? So personally I think he should go to work in another "football country" and even better under an influence of a good coach who sees football a bit different way (I'm not saying he should go to a coach like Simeone whose football philosophy is almost exactly opposite though Xavi could clearly learn a lot from him as well) than he does, possibly as an assistant for a season or two. But with him already making a solo coaching career in Qatar he would probably consider an assistant manager job in a bigger club as a step back in his career so don't see much chances for this to happen. So while I think he should make his coaching learning curve in another top league team before he's ready to return at the same time I also think it's very likely he'll be our coach from 2021 on so let's hope for the best. I'll give him a chance like I did to every single coach since I'm watching Barca but I just hope fans will be realistic enough to not expect him to have the same immediate impact Pep had in 2008.




    Doesn't really seem right for a Barca coach to look for excuses like this though I do think he's right that 5 subs won't really help us. It's more based on the fact our bench is just so short even some midtable teams have more impact subs (obviously of a lesser quality but still) they can bring on than we have. As a coach he can't really say this or it would send the wrong message to the team but we all know outside of Suarez (presummably he'll start some games on the bench after coming back from injury), Fati (who is still very much unproven and we can't expect from him to make a difference in every game) and Braithwaite (he had some positive impact in games he has played but can he do the same regularly for the rest of the season?) we don't really have any impact sub in midfield or defense. And not much depth there either when suspensions and injuries will happen (and I expect a lot of injuries after such a long break).

    So more subs could be useful to keep players fresh and possibly prevent injuries in a very tough schedule ahead playing every 3 days but we just don't have much players who we can bring on when we'll need to score in second half. And in this case it's probably more likely keeping the best XI on the field would give us better odds to win than whatever a 4th or 5th sub player could change. But surely if we'll manage to score early and have a 2 or 3 goals lead with 20 minutes left then having additional subs could be helpful as well.
    Agree on this one, but id like to see xavi as assistant to guardiola. He can definately learn a lot from premiership and their physical preparations,studying opponents without getting scapegoated after couple of months because lights wouldnt be that much on him as would be on guardiola, who could teach xavi a lot of things too.

    It sounds to me like they are destined to work together, with same philosophy and guardiola couldnt have the better lieutenant by his side and xavi couldnt have the better mentor.

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    Setien once again showing he's a midtable coach.

    Seti?n: "La Liga or the Champions League? Personally I would always give more importance to La Liga."

    We won LaLiga with 100 points without a coach for most of it. We bought you in to win the champions league if you can't handle that responsibility resign!

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    On top of that this bum Setien literally said he understands if Barcelona stack him it's like he knows he isn't good enough

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    Poor man?s Valverde.

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    Some serious witch-hunting around here.

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    At least we don't have Valverde anymore, who would be the first one to use 4 subs after 91 min to waste time.

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    Needs some praise after the game, haven’t scored 4 goals away from home since April 2019. Of course the usual suspects will do a disappearing act until we next lose points then this thread will be back alive lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Messigician View Post
    On top of that this bum Setien literally said he understands if Barcelona stack him it's like he knows he isn't good enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilarrubi View Post
    Needs some praise after the game, haven?t scored 4 goals away from home since April 2019. Of course the usual suspects will do a disappearing act until we next lose points then this thread will be back alive lol
    Praise for what? Valverde thrashed some relegation sides too, it's not exactly impressive
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilarrubi View Post
    Needs some praise after the game, haven?t scored 4 goals away from home since April 2019. Of course the usual suspects will do a disappearing act until we next lose points then this thread will be back alive lol
    Good game from him.
    But away from home thing is a bit of bs argument on this conditions