LeeRomeno
Active member
Sure, does not change what my point is at all. Actually getting to semis means that we did win alot of games. And that this forum has a habit of demonizing and overexaggerating when it comes to Valverde.
Ernesto Valverde
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Sure, does not change what my point is at all. Actually getting to semis means that we did win alot of games. And that this forum has a habit of demonizing and overexaggerating when it comes to Valverde.
I fail to see how losing on away goals and by one goal on aggregate is "one of the worst ways possible" to lose. That simply isn't objectively true. You can contrast the difference in scorelines between the legs and point to the collapses, but when judging them as two-legged ties in their totality and without emotional biases things balance out.
Against both Roma and Liverpool we we got incredibly lucky in the first legs and walked away with results that flattered us. Exactly the opposite happened in the away ties.
I know the conventional wisdom and revisionist history suggests we were utterly played off the pitch in both matches and Valverde deserves to shoulder almost all of the blame, but no statistical measure supports that conclusion whatsoever. Fans view these matches with inherent prejudices due to the nature of the collapse, the coach, the starting XI, emotional and physiological burden etc.
KingLeo10
Senior Member
I fail to see how losing on away goals and by one goal on aggregate is "one of the worst ways possible" to lose. That simply isn't objectively true. You can contrast the difference in scorelines between the legs and point to the collapses, but when judging them as two-legged ties in their totality and without emotional biases things balance out.
Against both Roma and Liverpool we we got incredibly lucky in the first legs and walked away with results that flattered us. Exactly the opposite happened in the away ties.
I know the conventional wisdom and revisionist history suggests we were utterly played off the pitch in both matches and Valverde deserves to shoulder almost all of the blame, but no statistical measure supports that conclusion whatsoever. Fans view these matches with inherent prejudices due to the nature of the collapse, the coach, the starting XI, emotional and physiological burden etc.
In the factual world, 0-3 and 0-4 happened. You can dismiss the 0-3 as an aberration but the exact same collapse happened again in the exact same fashion. Terrible luck? Partly. But a component of luck is preparation and EV was literally being paid 23 M to prepare us. I blame the players too but EV was the major culprit and then the seniors.
And if you want to use xG as the metric above all metrics, Pep should have won 2 CLs since he left Barca. So clearly the metric isn't infallible.
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serghei
Senior Member
Sure. He didn't create the issues. He just made them worse by not doing anything to fix them and giving veterans even more power than they had before his time.
Andrew M
New member
Yeah that's a fair assessment. If anything he made the away performances worse. But the root cause predates him.
It also predates the sale of Neymar, to those who naively view his reaqcuisition as a solution to all our woes
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BusiTheKing
Senior Member
Still can't believe we nearly went undefeated that one league season.
If Valverde did have a special power, it was to subdue games into this listless affair that somehow lulled opponents into passivity. A stalemate of contentment and mutual security that allowed Messi to launch his swift incursions on unsuspecting victims.
If Valverde did have a special power, it was to subdue games into this listless affair that somehow lulled opponents into passivity. A stalemate of contentment and mutual security that allowed Messi to launch his swift incursions on unsuspecting victims.
FinBarcelonafan
Well-known member
Dominated? The first match of the season was garbage from us.
soul24rage
Senior Member
he does look much better with a beard.
Unfortunately, what he thinks the word domination means is one the reasons why he was sacked.
Unfortunately, what he thinks the word domination means is one the reasons why he was sacked.
wisconsincule
Senior Member
After reading snippets from his interview I am so fucking happy he is not our coach.
evilhita666
Barçapocalypse NOW!
It's hilarious this guy still think those debacles were just due to some "moments" that happen in football... Completely delusional...
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