Ernesto Valverde

"This team made 100 points". LOL Yeah, THIS team. 2013 Barca and 2019 Barca are basically the same. Messi, Iniesta, Alves all still in their primes, Neymar top 3 player in the world and Xavi still a starter.

BUT POOR TATA HAD TO DEAL WITH PINTO IN GOAL FOR 5 GAMES. SUCH TRAGEDY.

Talk about clueless.

Sums up everything though. Acting like we're still in 2010 while in reality, without Messi, this is Spurs level at best.

Suarez vs. Kane
Eriksen vs Rakitic
Son vs. Coutinho
Lucas vs. Dembélé
Verthongen vs. Lenglet
Lloris vs. Stegen

Now let's act like we're above that.

Messi is the only real difference. Barca has a bit more depth and a better offensive LB. Accept it or deny the truth, your choice.

Also lol @ the Klopp comparison. Klopp is in his fifth season now at Liverpool and won 1 trophy. Just 12 months ago he finished 2 places below Mourinho's United. The season before he bottled a Cup final to Sevilla. The season before he finished 8th in the league. The season before he almost got BVB relegated.

Famous attention span of football fans. Doesn't extend beyond 6 months.

Lol. Coutinho vs Son. That is because Coutinho regressed under Ernie you tool. When we took Coutinho he was Pools best player and one of the best attacking midfielders in England.

You give me examples of players who have proven to be top class, but failed under the great leadership of Valverde as proof Ernie is great but has a mediocre team.

Yea, sounds like a Valverde fan all right. All the ineptitudes are there.

Coutinho was only famous for long range curlers which makes headlines in England. People called him Shootinho for a reason. He was never famed for his midfield performances and got moved around between midfield and forward positions because he would not fully convince anywhere.

Logic is not your strong point.

Lol. Check out his dribblings compilations at Liverpool.

He was a better player than Son is right now. Ridiculous to even compare, even though Son is playing very well lately.

He got moved in midfield because they had no creativity there and had Mane up front.

Son would go Dembele route in 1 year with Ernie. We'd be selling him at a minimum 50% loss.

Valverde reminds me of Rui Victoria tenure at Benfica.

Rui won trophies and had a pretty solid squad before they sold off some key pieces. But despite what he achieved you still had Benfica fans that didn't rate him for the same reasons we don't rate Valverde, they have seen a guy who was relying too much on pure talent and even underutilizing them in some ways as well.

Losing key players such as Semedo, Ederson, Lindelof, sucked but Victoria struggled to make key changes in his tactics and it finally led him to get sacked with his replacement taking the same squad and winning the league over Porto.

serghei said:

Lol. Do you even know that last season we had one of our worst goals scored, goals conceded and points total ratio in La Liga since 2008? If not our worst?

What does that tell you, considering we cruised the league? That even in a subpar season we can easily win the league if our rivals are mediocre.

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1899. That is when the club was founded, not 2008. I might be a lot older than you by the sounds of things (not meant to derogatory BTW).

Or Conte at Juve. Steady in the league, crap in Europe. Enter Allegri, still steady in the league and double CL finalist. Inherited pretty much the same squad of Conte.

Poor_Sunyol said:

1899. That is when the club was founded, not 2008. I might be a lot older than you by the sounds of things (not meant to derogatory BTW).

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Irrelevant. We have every condition to aspire to be the best. Making the most of the assets we have is a must. Allowing mediocrity at this moment is terrible.

Poor_Sunyol said:

Because there is no other option for the moment. So continuously bashing him because the players didn't turn up in a second leg of a CL semi final (twice) and ignoring the other successes he has had is pointless. We would be better off just accepting that he is here for at least this season and discussing how he could get the best out of the team we currently have.

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How to get the best out of the team? I guess sacking Valverde isn't the answer you want to hear

To get the absolute best out of that squad Valverde would need to change a lot imo. Tactically and with rotation/competition.

But that probably won't happen so let's just hope it'll be enough to win titles anyway, because after all the squad is very strong and Messi is still Messi so Barca doesn't need a tactical edge to beat most teams.

So no ideas then?

Tackle said:

Valverde has made mistakes, but he can and will learn from them. The sky isn't falling.

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Except he has shown time and time again that he can't and won't.

Holy shit Valverde fanboys are the most delusional bunch I have ever seen. Two straight seasons of the exact same mistakes with no signs of it ever changing "but he'll learn"

serghei said:

Man some of you are clueless. Tata Martino, a rookie in Europe, with no preseason, Pinto in goal, and weakest season of Messi, would have won the title in Spain with VAR in the last game. And we are talking about much much stronger Atletico and Madrid than this year's mess.

And you have the nerve to say we would crumble in the league if not for Valverde. What a fucking joke.

Open your fucking eyes. Tata would have walked the league last year with the competition we had.

This team made 100 points in a season on auto pilot without manager for half a year. It is an extraordinary league team. Has been so under every manager and would be so in the future under anyone even remotely competent as long as we have the best players.

Only Madrid can match us in Spain and they were abysmal in La Liga for more than a decade with few exceptions.

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Exactly. We've never had trouble winning leagues in recent history. We would have walked the league in the last two seasons with a traffic cone on the bench. The CL is where our mediocre coaches keep getting exposed and that's what needs to be fixed.

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Poor_Sunyol said:

So no ideas then?

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Who cares about hypothetical ideas we'll never see in real life when the reality is Valverde ball? You said it yourself. Let's accept he's here for another year. That most likely also means let's accept to not see how good this squad could really perform because mr. play-it-safe won't change his setup after 2 successful years.

And no matter what i would say it wouldn't take long for BBZ or some other guy to bust in and tell us how playing like Pep won't work, how playing Suarez is absolutely necessary, how Arthur and Dembele suck too much to start, how Anfield was just the players fault, how the squad sucks and Barca can't play different etc so just roll with what we're used to see, replace Cou/Dembouz with Griezmann on LW and one CM with Frenkie, keep playing boring slow safe football with no speed, no pressing and hope for the best. What most likely will work out again, because a squad that is quite happy with the coach + a decent (and safe) possession setup + quality of Messi, Griezmann etc should be enough.

Valverde isn't the risk taker, he also doesn't seem to have a vision of football like Pep does for example so idk why we should expect or discuss big changes that most likely won't happen anyway.

"It is what it is" -

Still a better coach then Zidane