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Thread: 10 - Lionel Messi

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    I see, you think that I rate current Messi low because of comparisons with a legendary Messi.
    Ok, a fair point.

    But still, even prime Messi was a tactical mess.
    But he was offering magic so we were surviving without his defensive input.
    But for the last 6-7 years, every single team is attacking us through the right side, because Messi isn't defending.
    This is why we needed to buy babysitter Rakitic to cover for him and help to a RB.

    His magic is not sufficient for years in a CL.
    But at least it was working against Mickey Mouse teams in La Liga.
    But lately, Messi's magic is not working even in La Liga against teams who are at the lowest level of quality in the last 10-12 years.
    He is not an advantage against Getafe and Levante anymore.

    What is he bringing to a team in this moment except having the same physical looks as a guy who was once the best player in the world.

    ** Also, another question:
    Imagine if this was not Messi.
    Imagine if Griezz, Suarez or Coutinho would perform exactly the same as Messi is performing today.
    Would you keep them on the field or would you say: sub this clown from the field?

    Some will say: but but but he is still creating chances.
    Lol.

    He has the ball all the time.
    If you give 20 chances to create something, Coutinho, Griezz or even Pedri and Puig would create 2-3 chances per match if they would have the ball and free reigns all the time, like Messi.

    Seriously, play one match where Coutinho or Griezmann will get EVERY SINGLE BALL around the box and give them 20-30 actions to do whatever they want.
    Of course they will create something.

    Messi is doing exactly the same.

    Even though, I think that other players would create even more because they have legs and Messi is losing balls left and right with his crazy stubborness to play everything through the middle all the time.

    So, what is currently Messi offering what other players wouldn't be able to do?
    I don't get why people don't see this. We literally give Messi the ball all the time (like he'll just be uninterested and we would still give him the ball after winning it again and again. his creativity is still high but we're getting burnt more often now, better to field a team with normal creativity that attacks and defend together)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    Sexy Alexis, Bartresi the captain, Samper the next Xavi, Halil the new Messi, ballhogger backwards dribbler Neymar, Denis new Iniesta, Arthur Xavi-light, mighty Malcom, Jerry Mina, braindead Semedo and now Messi.

    Let's see.

    Sadly, this one is the easiest of all because you have to apply the basic rules of nature here.
    Dumbele being dumb as a brick was a harder call than predicting that Messi will decline lightning fast in the next few Months.

    Alexis was a flop in his first 2 years but in his last Barca year was an outstanding player and became one of the best offensive players in the world.

    95% of the forum knew that Samper , Bartra , Denis , Halilovic are at most or in best case bench players . I still can't believe how easily you get baited when some random user comes trolling saying that a tier 3 player reminds him of a great based of the way he's playing.

    How has the team done offensive wise after Neymar left ? It's not looking pretty good is it ? Funny how we've spent like half a billion on Coutinho , Dembele , Griezmann and all together couldn't fill the void Neymar left when he left us. We can play with 12 men , with all of those 3 the same time and we still wouldn't have the scare factor we had with Neymar in the team.

    You also told that you won't insult Neymar anymore and that he's a Barca legend the day we've won the CL final against Juventus.

    You also told that because Dembele blocked Neymar coming back , you won't insult him anymore.

    I'd suggest you be a man of your word.
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    Messi still thinks he can dribble past 5 players lmfao.

    It's legit painful watching him try

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    Fully agree with our guy BBZ here. If there is one thing we've always agreed on, it is about Messi's issues like central positioning, lack of workrate and and eagerness to be involved at all costs since about 2016-17 .

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    Quote Originally Posted by te amo barca View Post
    Fully agree with our guy BBZ here. If there is one thing we've always agreed on, it is about Messi's issues like central positioning, lack of workrate and and eagerness to be involved at all costs since about 2016-17 .
    it's not only a messi issue here. it is a team/squad issue. we have a still very good player on our team and instead of maximizing his output we fucked around doing some horrendous managerial and player signings.

    easy to blame messi, but when you look what's around him you can't ask for much more. when he had great supporting cast, messi was more than happy to share the burden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by te amo barca View Post
    Fully agree with our guy BBZ here. If there is one thing we've always agreed on, it is about Messi's issues like central positioning, lack of workrate and and eagerness to be involved at all costs since about 2016-17 .
    Don't agree with this. He has been poor for his usual standards since the 2nd half of last season and so far this season, but we wouldn't have won anything without Messi in 17/18 and 18/19. We won a double and were very close to a treble those 2 seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    The rest of the football world then haven't watched Messi in 2020, it seems.

    Remember how fast has Ronaldinho declined.
    Or Shevchenko when he moved from Milan.
    Ronaldinho was 28 when he declined fast.
    Sheva was 30.
    In his last 3 years at Milan he scored 24 goals (32 matches), 17 (29), 19 (28) goals.
    At Chelsea he scored 4 league goals in 30 matches.
    And 5 in the next season.
    And then he moved to Ukranian league.

    So, in 2 years he declined from an awesome player who was scoring 19 goals in 29 league matches to a guy who played for Dynamo Kiev in Ukraine.
    He was 32 when he moved to Ukraine.

    Now, Messi is already 33 and a half.
    Check this, age 33/34:
    Ronaldinho = Atletico Mineiro (Brasil) and Queretaro (Mexico, lol)
    Rivaldo = Olympiacos (Greece)
    Henry = New York (USA)
    Kluivert = retired at the age of 32 after bad spells at Newcastle, Valencia, Psv and Lille
    Villa = New York City Fc (USA)
    Guily = Psg (France)
    Overmars = retired age 31
    Etoo = Everton (England)
    Alexis Sanchez, aged 32 = already almost done at the top level

    The only former player who played well in the late age was Henrik Larsson who played for Barca even aged 35.

    So, except Larsson, all of our former strikers were finished in current Messi's age.
    And now, our fans, or Messi's fans somehow think that laws of nature and physics don't apply for Messi and that he will somehow dribble, score and amaze at the age of 33 or 34.
    Lol.

    The sad truth is: whatever you see now, Messi will only get way worse in upcoming Months.
    He will play a magical match (or a half) once in 10 matches and that's it.

    And then you guys are offended because some of us are applying the basics of nature on Messi's case.
    He has actually stayed on a top level for surprisingly long.
    Even this is more than expected.
    Ronaldinho declined after the 2005/2006 season. He evidently lost a good chunk of his acceleration due to weight gain. In 2008 though he was simply atrocious at the highest level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batistuta9 View Post
    Don't agree with this. He has been poor for his usual standards since the 2nd half of last season and so far this season, but we wouldn't have won anything without Messi in 17/18 and 18/19. We won a double and were very close to a treble those 2 seasons.
    Messi in 17/18 and 18/19 was on another level for most of the time but against Roma away he was the worst player on the pitch as he didnt even run. Otherwise these seasons were nearly excellent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Messigician View Post
    Messi still thinks he can dribble past 5 players lmfao.

    It's legit painful watching him try
    Yeah this is true. Anyone have his dribbling past percentage before and after Corona? It must have gone down a lot.

    Not to mention scoring percentage. He used to be so precise with his finishing. These days he can't even finish. It's insane how he lost it like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malvolio View Post
    it's not only a messi issue here. it is a team/squad issue. we have a still very good player on our team and instead of maximizing his output we fucked around doing some horrendous managerial and player signings.

    easy to blame messi, but when you look what's around him you can't ask for much more. when he had great supporting cast, messi was more than happy to share the burden.
    Yeah true. The signings were horrendous. We messed up 450million on Coutinho, Dembele and Griezmann.. unacceptable. Imagine that sort of money and that's the end result? It can't be worse basically

    Yet.. I think Hazard/Coutinho signing confirms, is any player worth hundred mil? There's never guarantee! No matter how proven they are. One of the best players in PL for years, yet only struggle with Spanish teams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FinBarcelonafan View Post
    Yeah true. The signings were horrendous. We messed up 450million on Coutinho, Dembele and Griezmann.. unacceptable. Imagine that sort of money and that's the end result? It can't be worse basically

    Yet.. I think Hazard/Coutinho signing confirms, is any player worth hundred mil? There's never guarantee! No matter how proven they are. One of the best players in PL for years, yet only struggle with Spanish teams.
    Always thought he was hit and miss tbh. It's why I always maintain that spending big on players is generally a losing strategy. Don't want to throw bbz stats out but most signings do flop so having fewer more expensive signing imo is extremely high risk with not a very high reward for most transfers in this day and age.
    Last edited by Respekt_III; 26th October 2020 at 04:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batistuta9 View Post
    Don't agree with this. He has been poor for his usual standards since the 2nd half of last season and so far this season, but we wouldn't have won anything without Messi in 17/18 and 18/19. We won a double and were very close to a treble those 2 seasons.
    You mean those seasons where Madrid were incredibly crap and spent most of their time on 3rd and 4th places? I don't know about that. Usually, if Madrid are mega-crap, Barca are favorite for the title, because La Liga is still a duopoly.

    That's not to say Messi wasn't great in 2018-2019.

    Quote Originally Posted by FinBarcelonafan View Post
    Yeah true. The signings were horrendous. We messed up 450million on Coutinho, Dembele and Griezmann.. unacceptable. Imagine that sort of money and that's the end result? It can't be worse basically

    Yet.. I think Hazard/Coutinho signing confirms, is any player worth hundred mil? There's never guarantee! No matter how proven they are. One of the best players in PL for years, yet only struggle with Spanish teams.
    I think only Haland is worth 150m. Nobody else. Not even Mbappe. Too bad we weren't smart enough to keep those 222m from Neymar deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serghei View Post
    You mean those seasons where Madrid were incredibly crap and spent most of their time on 3rd and 4th places? I don't know about that. Usually, if Madrid are mega-crap, Barca are favorite for the title, because La Liga is still a duopoly.

    That's not to say Messi wasn't great in 2018-2019.
    Yes, he was excellent both seasons. Real won the CL in 17/18 so they weren't useless. The only problem was, we were almost perfect in the league that year. We could have gone the season unbeaten. The team under valverde was so Messi dependant, take him out and we probably lose the league. He won golden boot and got IFFHS playmaker of the year both seasons as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feggydinho View Post
    Let's not forget that Barca trashed Madrid 5 - 1 in October 2018 without Messi, I don't see how people still think playing or bending to suit a 33 year old Messi is the best way right now (unfortunately we can't just bench Messi due to respect, he's even the highest-paid by a mad margin)
    Let's not forget it's Valverde and Suarez with his Amigos leading the pact. The most hated people in this forum win you games without Messi

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    Quote Originally Posted by serghei View Post
    You mean those seasons where Madrid were incredibly crap and spent most of their time on 3rd and 4th places? I don't know about that. Usually, if Madrid are mega-crap, Barca are favorite for the title, because La Liga is still a duopoly.

    That's not to say Messi wasn't great in 2018-2019.



    I think only Haland is worth 150m. Nobody else. Not even Mbappe. Too bad we weren't smart enough to keep those 222m from Neymar deal.
    Yeah and when I hear these sums for Sancho. Damn. I think United will make same mistake.