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    Quote Originally Posted by soul24rage View Post


    Reasons why Messi might take longer than expected to heal his calf injury.
    Everybody should watch in stead of speculating and also remember what happend to Kevin Durant who came back to soon from a calf injury in the NBA Playoffs.

    It suckes but better now then later in a season.

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    it's over.
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    No calf injury takes almost 8 weeks to heal, so perhaps it would be time to put up the question: what is really happening to Messi?

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    Better to be safe than sorry.

    Rushing him back with a weak calf only for him to completely tear it or hurt his ACL or achilles and his career could be over.

    Seriously, this needs to be managed properly and we are still very early in the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tackle View Post
    Better to be safe than sorry.

    Rushing him back with a weak calf only for him to completely tear it or hurt his ACL or achilles and his career could be over.

    Seriously, this needs to be managed properly and we are still very early in the season.
    Yup, a bad calf is like a ticking time bomb for the Achilles.

    Most spontaneous Achilles tears happen because the calf cramps up or there is a sudden but severe contraction/spasm.

    Posters who think we're being too cautious should ask Kevin Durant.

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    As I wrote earlier in post 982, I think that the likely/possible relapse that Messi suffered from before the Osasuna game, occurred (mainly) due to his non-existent pre-season. A pre-season is a crucial thing. Even more so for players Messi's age that are coming off a very long season and tiring Copa América tournament played on potato fields.

    As other users wrote, better safe than sorry. Even though we are 5 points behind Atlético de Madrid, the season has just started and 5 points is nothing with 35 league rounds left.

    Let Messi have a pre-season and let him take it easily in the first many games after his return. I think that he will first be close to fully ready after the last international break this year (November). After that there is 3-4 weeks of football before the Christmas break.

    As I wrote in the previous post, this might be a good thing for the team. We can't keep relying on a 32+ year old Messi no matter how insanely good he is and no matter how important he is for the team. We added Griezmann (a truly world class player that was the main offensive outlet for Altético 5 seasons in a row and "their own Messi") to the team and this season will be a do or die season for Dembélé as well.
    For starters Malmierda's retarded "tactics" could just as well be renamed to "play the ball to Messi at all times". That should not be the case. Even less with De Jong's arrival and hopefully Arthur playing most matches when ready. With De Jong and Arthur creating in the midfield, Messi should not have the need to constantly fall back and try to create from the midfield position later to try to finish off most attacks. Messi is no longer 25 years old. He can't play that for much longer. He should be playing closer to goal IMO without limiting his creative output and while allowing him to wander up front.

    The positive about Messi being out is that it will further expose Malmieda and give additional opportunities to the likes of Fati and Pérez.

    In any case I think that we will win against Valencia with or without Messi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo_Messi View Post
    As I wrote earlier in post 982, I think that the likely/possible relapse that Messi suffered from before the Osasuna game, occurred (mainly) due to his non-existent pre-season. A pre-season is a crucial thing. Even more so for players Messi's age that are coming off a very long season and tiring Copa América tournament played on potato fields.

    As other users wrote, better safe than sorry. Even though we are 5 points behind Atlético de Madrid, the season has just started and 5 points is nothing with 35 league rounds left.

    Let Messi have a pre-season and let him take it easily in the first many games after his return. I think that he will first be close to fully ready after the last international break this year (November). After that there is 3-4 weeks of football before the Christmas break.

    As I wrote in the previous post, this might be a good thing for the team. We can't keep relying on a 32+ year old Messi no matter how insanely good he is and no matter how important he is for the team. We added Griezmann (a truly world class player that was the main offensive outlet for Altético 5 seasons in a row and "their own Messi") to the team and this season will be a do or die season for Dembélé as well.
    For starters Malmierda's retarded "tactics" could just as well be renamed to "play the ball to Messi at all times". That should not be the case. Even less with De Jong's arrival and hopefully Arthur playing most matches when ready. With De Jong and Arthur creating in the midfield, Messi should not have the need to constantly fall back and try to create from the midfield position later to try to finish off most attacks. Messi is no longer 25 years old. He can't play that for much longer. He should be playing closer to goal IMO without limiting his creative output and while allowing him to wander up front.

    The positive about Messi being out is that it will further expose Malmieda and give additional opportunities to the likes of Fati and Pérez.

    In any case I think that we will win against Valencia with or without Messi.
    I think November is too much.He'll be back at some point during September.Let's hope he'll be fully healed and won't be facing any other issues,so that he can reach close to last year's level
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    Quote Originally Posted by bismp View Post
    I think November is too much.He'll be back at some point during September.Let's hope he'll be fully healed and won't be facing any other issues,so that he can reach close to last year's level
    November being the month where he will be back to what resembles optimal form. For starters have in mind that we don't really know when he will be back and that Messi has had no pre-season at all. So he will need to be declared fit and gain momentum and become match-fit before we can talk about him having returned to his best. Half of October is allocated for another 2 week long international break.

    Of course he might surprise me and be in an optimal form as soon as he returns but I very much doubt that. Had this been a 5 years younger Messi, I would have a different opinion.

    Last year's performance was tremendous. One of the best performances (over an entire season) of an 31-32 year old offensive player that I have seen in a long, long time. Messi just needs Malmierda and the team to step up and do theirs. Had we done that last season (looking at the infamous Liverpool game at Anfield) we would likely have won another triplete. Alas, was not to be.
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    People need to understand the importance of a preaseason especially when coming back from injury.it is important that he comes back when he is ready

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    Something is definitely going on in Barcelona right now with Messi.

    Title says: This is my home and I don't want to leave, but I want to win

    Also one of the quotes he says that he doesn't know if Barca truly did their best to bring Neymar back.





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    Well, don't want to repeat this for the nth time, but if he wants to win he shouldn't have supported Valverde back in the summer. By 'I want to win' I presume he refers to the Champions League. We had the chance to bring in Griezmann, De Jong + a new manager, and we failed. Now we have to see how Griezmann and De Jong are playing like crap with these retarded tactics.

    Neymar means fuck all for the CL. It's not like he is a magic fix for our issues. It's frankly disappointing that a player who has worked under Guardiola for so long, and to that huge success, can't see the manager is the big issue with the team.

    Maybe it's not too late and the seniors will realize being comfortable with a spineless clown around isn't doing anyone any favors as far as CL is concerned. I doubt it will happen though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serghei View Post
    Maybe it's not too late and the seniors will realize being comfortable with a spineless clown around isn't doing anyone any favors as far as CL is concerned. I doubt it will happen though.
    If 2 CL humiliations isn't enough to make them understand, then I'm afraid it's too late.

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    He probably thought with the signings coming in over the summer that he wouldn't have to carry the team any more. Watching the first 3 games he obviously knows that is not the case.

    Must be incredibly demoralizing for someone who 'likes to be comfortable' to know it's all on him again. He must know that the manager needs changing. If only there was an outstanding candidate I believe he would push for it.

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    Outstanding candidate? I'll take even an okay-sh one like Lucho any time instead of Valverde. And I didn't even like Lucho that much, but at least the man had something going for him, you could see some principles and some 'cojones'.

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    Not sure what more we could have done with the Neymar deal.

    PSG was always going to be notoriously difficult to deal with. We didn't have the money they straight-up wanted so we tried to give them players they would be interested in with the money we may have already but said players didn't want to leave.

    I really hope this isn't Messi trying to rock the boat for that reason. I get he wants to be competitive (Even though he backed Valverde) but saying that "I'm not sure the club did everything it can to get Neymar" yeah I'm not a fan of that.