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    No one can doubt Neymar's ability as a footballer. Some years he was 2nd best in the world after Messi, some periods of time he played even better. Watching him play with Messi was also some of the most exciting football I've seen so to some degree I get why people want him back.

    But he is regularly injured. He costs an amount of money that would plunge us further into financial disarray. His attitude has been found wanting in some ways, not just how he left us but the partying with his sister on her birthday every year, somehow being injured for that specific time. Not to mention he is known as a party boy, that brought down Ronaldinho who was far greater than Neymar and we just expect it to not bring Neymar down further than it already has?

    The only scenario where it's not completely awful for him to arrive is if Suarez, Pique, Busquets all left to break up the clear club de amigos that is happening and to free up the wages. EVEN THEN he is injured too often, how do we stop that? By praying?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Copperpot View Post
    Brainwashed by the media? I’m not even going to respond to that nonsense, my views of Neymar are same as the majority of football fans around the world and what most people felt on this forum, until Barcelona started to be linked with him again.

    Neymar is known globally as one of the most talented players in the world but a diva and a drama queen and in my opinion more trouble than he’s worth (**** allegations/punching a fan/bans for criticizing officials/partying lifestyle/partying on crutches/not turning up for pre-season training/late for training/conflicts with teammates/unsportsmen antics on the pitch/allround unprofessionalism/injury prone).

    Negativity and trouble surrounds this guy, so you trying to paint this picture of him as this great guy, being well liked, misunderstood, not a diver, doesn’t roll around as much as other players and only being a handful because his entourage is demanding is quite frankly one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever read on a football forum, fanboyism to the extreme.
    I didn't see your edit.

    Let's see the point :

    - **** allegation : did you follow the case or not? The girl was a nutjob who clearly attacked Neymar out of nowhere when they were making out. A case was dismissed by the justice as she couldn't provide enough evidence. That is a very low point for you.

    -partying lifestyle : what is the problem if the guy wants to party exactly ? How does it bring you negativity or trouble, just because the guy enjoy his life ? Ronaldinho was prolly one of the worst in that case and i have never seen anyone dislike Ronaldinho for this. The only person who can be harmed by this is Neymar himself as he could shorten his prime. Partying with crutches... So the guy can't go to the carnival because he has crutches ? It is not like he is berd ridden or that going there will affect his injury. Sometimes, i wonder if you know that footabllers are actual people who want to do stuff. If you had fractured your foot, would that prevent you from going to a party even if you can only watch ?

    -conflicts with teammates : you are referring to Semedo-Neymar thing ? It happens in football. Won't take any side as i don't know why they went overboard for a tackle in a training.

    -unsportmanship antics : you are talking about his theatrics, i suppose. I don't think anyone would defend him when he claim he has been shot down on the pitch. What i'm saying is that people link Neymar to diving but, while he does dive sometimes like a lot of players, most of the time he tries to hard to sell a real foul to the referee to get his opponent a yellow card. And that is because Neymar is known as the most fouled player in Europe because of his playstyle.

    -injury prone : i don't see how being injury prone makes him troublesome or not likeable for football fans. Do i hate Diaby because he was always injured for Arsenal ? No, i was a bit sorry for the guy. Same with Sturridge at Liverpool. Neymar has been unlucky with his fracture injury last two years. Do you hate André Gomes now that he has a fracture ?

    -professionalism : see the Romario/Ronaldinho argument. The only person being harmed is Neymar himself. The guy still delivers on the pitch so you can't blame his professionalism. It will just shorten his prime.

    -not turning up for pre-season : he was wrong not to come back in time and has paid a fine. This is what fines exist for.
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    https://www.*********/en-gb/news/289...er-the-webster

    A nice article about that FIFA article and how tricky it is. Replace the * by g o a l . c o m


    Could Liverpool lose Sterling for just £1.5m under the Webster ruling?
    December will see the 20-year-old move past the 'protected period' in his current contract, meaning that he could buy out the final year of his deal in the summer of 2016
    GOALSPECIAL REPORT By Liam Twomey Follow on Twitter

    Brendan Rodgers insists that Liverpool are "not overly concerned" by Raheem Sterling's decision to postpone contract talks until the summer and perhaps it is a little early to panic. The 20-year-old still has more than two years left on his current deal at Anfield and is yet to voice any explicit desire to leave.

    But the window for Liverpool to tie down Sterling may be smaller than it appears, depending on just how determined the youngster and his representatives are to secure the most lucrative possible financial package on Merseyside or elsewhere.

    December would see Sterling move into the fourth year of the long-term deal that he signed back in 2012 and add another considerable ace to what appears an increasingly formidable hand. The 20-year-old could, in theory, buy out the final year of his contract in the summer of 2016 and gain full control over his next destination.

    Article 17 of Fifa’s transfer rules enables any player under the age of 28 to terminate their employment once a "protected period" of three years comes to an end, provided that they notify their club of the intent to do so within 15 days of the final competitive match of the season and pay any required compensation.

    The precedent is the acrimonious transfer of Andy Webster from Hearts to Wigan in August 2006. Frozen out after a dispute with the club’s controversial owner Victor Romanov having sought to join Rangers, the Scottish defender invoked Article 17 to force through a move to the Premier League.

    After an 18-month legal battle that reached the Court of Arbitration for Sport in Lausanne, it was decided that Hearts were due just £150,000 in compensation, based primarily on the wages due for the remainder of Webster’s contract. Along these lines, Sterling could theoretically buy out the final year of his £30,000-a-week deal for a little over £1.5 million.

    It is, however, not quite a simple as that. "The calculation that CAS came up with in Webster whereby he was only required to pay compensation on the remaining amount of his wages is probably less of a possibility, for a couple of reasons," Daniel Geey, sports lawyer with Field Fisher Waterhouse, tells Goal.

    He points to the more recent cases of Brazilian midfielder Matuzalem’s protracted transfer from Shakhtar Donetsk to Real Zaragoza and goalkeeper Morgan De Sanctis’s abrupt departure from Udinese to join Sevilla, both in the summer of 2007.

    "In those cases compensation wasn’t a calculation of the remaining proportion of the wages that should be covered, it was of the actual harm the club suffered," Geey adds. "In the case of De Sanctis it was the replacement cost for Udinese to buy a goalkeeper of similar standing, and in the end the cost of two was included in the calculation."



    The fallout from the Webster ruling has created another complication. "There’s usually a clause in the employment contract of a number of Premier League players that states if they unilaterally terminate their contract, the market rate of the player will be classed as the harm suffered," Geey explains.

    "Then it’s up to the Dispute Resolution Chamber of Fifa and/or CAS to make a decision on the market rate of the player. That’s quite unattractive to any player who’s looking to go to another club, because the buying club won’t know how much they could potentially pay in the end."

    If Sterling’s contract contains such a clause, the cost to the player and the club that signs him of exploiting Article 17 would likely be considerably more than £1.5m, though removing the deal from the confines of the transfer market makes the precise figure almost impossible to predict. "Market value is only usually between a willing buyer and a willing seller, not decided in a court," Geey admits.

    The length and cost of the legal battles associated with Article 17 cases have helped to keep them on the fringes of football’s transfer economy since Webster and Geey sees nothing to suggest that that will change. "There are easier ways for a player to try and transfer - in the worst case putting in a transfer request and losing out on potential loyalty bonuses," he insists.

    No high-profile Premier League player has yet tried to exploit Article 17, despite several pointed invocations during fraught contract talks in recent years. Nor is there any indication that Sterling will be the first but its looming presence on the horizon is a powerful reminder to Liverpool of who will hold all the cards should they fail to resolve this impasse in the summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mc_lovin View Post
    That "release clause" is pandoras box. Its purely theoretical right now? If someone uses it a lot of players become fair game. Dont think we should cross that line, but hey, we are universally hated anyway, right. Another lowpoint for Bartomeu.
    If there's one player we will open pandoras box for it's Neymar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Messigician View Post
    If there's one player we will open pandoras box for it's Neymar.

    I am afraid so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Copperpot View Post
    Brainwashed by the media? I’m not even going to respond to that nonsense, my views of Neymar are same as the majority of football fans around the world and what most people felt on this forum, until Barcelona started to be linked with him again.

    Neymar is known globally as one of the most talented players in the world but a diva and a drama queen and in my opinion more trouble than he’s worth (**** allegations/punching a fan/bans for criticizing officials/partying lifestyle/partying on crutches/not turning up for pre-season training/late for training/conflicts with teammates/unsportsmen antics on the pitch/allround unprofessionalism/injury prone).

    Negativity and trouble surrounds this guy, so you trying to paint this picture of him as this great guy, being well liked, misunderstood, not a diver, doesn’t roll around as much as other players and only being a handful because his entourage is demanding is quite frankly one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever read on a football forum, fanboyism to the extreme.
    Just to let you know none of that happened at Barcelona. The only thing he did was his sister birthday nonsense. It wasn't till PSG till all this stuff started

    Quote Originally Posted by mc_lovin View Post
    That "release clause" is pandoras box. Its purely theoretical right now? If someone uses it a lot of players become fair game. Dont think we should cross that line, but hey, we are universally hated anyway, right. Another lowpoint for Bartomeu.
    If anything it shifts the over ton window to giving more power to the players in terms of transfers, not sure if that's a good thing or not.
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    #NeyorBust Let continue where we left off ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ👑

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    Another recent declaration from Nkunku, now in Germany, about his former toxic teammate Neymar in Kicker :

    "I got along well with Neymar. He is a player who likes to spend time on the field and who makes every effort to help his team. What he does in his private life is his business. But Neymar is a normal coworker and as a colleague, he's great"

    Damn, thank god we have Copperpot who know has insider information. I could have been fooled by Nkunku.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newcomer View Post
    Another recent declaration from Nkunku, now in Germany, about his former toxic teammate Neymar in Kicker :

    "I got along well with Neymar. He is a player who likes to spend time on the field and who makes every effort to help his team. What he does in his private life is his business. But Neymar is a normal coworker and as a colleague, he's great"

    Damn, thank god we have Copperpot who know has insider information. I could have been fooled by Nkunku.
    Just look at my argument against him a few pages back (or maybe another thread). This guy claimed:

    1) United is the biggest club in the world. LOL. It's Real, and then Barca, and then Bayern, Juve, Pool, Milan etc. in the mix.
    2) United is the only club that could break the transfer record one day and do it again the next day. When PSG have the record, and all the others are Barca (with PSG money lol).

    My conclusion: He's a deluded United/ EPL fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newcomer View Post
    Another recent declaration from Nkunku, now in Germany, about his former toxic teammate Neymar in Kicker :

    "I got along well with Neymar. He is a player who likes to spend time on the field and who makes every effort to help his team. What he does in his private life is his business. But Neymar is a normal coworker and as a colleague, he's great"

    Damn, thank god we have Copperpot who know has insider information. I could have been fooled by Nkunku.
    Why does this bother you so much?

    People don't just talk about Neymar in interviews, interviewees bring his name up in hope an ex-teammate will pull him down, which they won't. 1) Because it's not nice, 2) it will create headlines which is what the interviewer is trying to do. Very few players have spoke bad about Jose Mourihno and you just get the impression many players who have worked under Jose don't want to work under him again, they'll be saving their slagging off for their book 5/10/15/20 years from now.

    But in the above interview, want to know what that translates as to me, 'i had a good working relationship with Neymar, he's not a friend and what he does in his private life (ie:- a prick) is nothing to do with me'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingLeo10 View Post
    Just look at my argument against him a few pages back (or maybe another thread). This guy claimed:

    1) United is the biggest club in the world. LOL. It's Real, and then Barca, and then Bayern, Juve, Pool, Milan etc. in the mix.
    2) United is the only club that could break the transfer record one day and do it again the next day. When PSG have the record, and all the others are Barca (with PSG money lol).

    My conclusion: He's a deluded United/ EPL fan.
    Manchester United and Real Madrid are the biggest clubs in the world, that is just a fact and i've posted these facts, so LOL at facts all you want, it doesn't change reality you are living in.

    I know Barcelona are the bandwagon team of choice for anti-Premier League folk in hope of getting one over on Premier League clubs, but yes i am an EPL lover, big believer the Premier League is the best in the world, does that bother you? Well you must hate reality because the Premier League being the best in the world is the era you are living in right now, if you don't like how things currently are how about cry about it or call for my ban again? Maybe that will make you feel better, it's not going to change what happens on the pitch though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Copperpot View Post
    Manchester United and Real Madrid are the biggest clubs in the world, that is just a fact and i've posted these facts, so LOL at facts all you want, it doesn't change reality you are living in.

    I know Barcelona are the bandwagon team of choice for anti-Premier League folk in hope of getting one over on Premier League clubs, but yes i am an EPL lover, big believer the Premier League is the best in the world, does that bother you? Well you must hate reality because the Premier League being the best in the world is the era you are living in right now, if you don't like how things currently how about cry about it or call for my ban again? Won't change anything though.
    Calma Calma. The Barca v United CL H2H record doesn't look too hot for y'all.



    United are an irrelevant has been. Maybe get SAF back and you might finish top 4 again.

    EDIT: 4 wins, 4 draws, 4 losses in the league
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    1. Neymar wants to return

    2. The 'heavyweights' of*Barça*would like to see him return

    3.*PSG*(and the Sheikh of*Qatar) have no intention of selling the player to*Barça as they are still upset about the cases of*Verratti*and*Rabiot

    4 Barca are open to the idea of pursuing Neymar once the €170m release clause comes into effect next summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Copperpot View Post
    Why does this bother you so much?

    People don't just talk about Neymar in interviews, interviewees bring his name up in hope an ex-teammate will pull him down, which they won't. 1) Because it's not nice, 2) it will create headlines which is what the interviewer is trying to do. Very few players have spoke bad about Jose Mourihno and you just get the impression many players who have worked under Jose don't want to work under him again, they'll be saving their slagging off for their book 5/10/15/20 years from now.

    But in the above interview, want to know what that translates as to me, 'i had a good working relationship with Neymar, he's not a friend and what he does in his private life (ie:- a prick) is nothing to do with me'.
    The fact this translates as "he is a prick" according to you shows your bias.

    You are moving your goalposts about what the player might be thinking ignoring all the genuine messages about his current and former teammates wanting him to stay with/join them.

    Neymar might well be a prick in real life and that is his problem. My only issue is about you saying he is toxic in a dressing room, an argument you are failed to back up with facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Copperpot View Post
    Manchester United and Real Madrid are the biggest clubs in the world, that is just a fact and i've posted these facts, so LOL at facts all you want, it doesn't change reality you are living in.

    I know Barcelona are the bandwagon team of choice for anti-Premier League folk in hope of getting one over on Premier League clubs, but yes i am an EPL lover, big believer the Premier League is the best in the world, does that bother you? Well you must hate reality because the Premier League being the best in the world is the era you are living in right now, if you don't like how things currently are how about cry about it or call for my ban again? Maybe that will make you feel better, it's not going to change what happens on the pitch though.
    I think MU is a big club although they are doing terrible since SAF retirement. However, MU can't be named as second biggest club in the world if we talk about trophies. Milan AC is above MU. Bayern Munich is above MU. MU just surpasses these clubs by their global branding.

    Before this era of Barça which has started around Ronaldinho arrival, i would have agreed about MU being bigger than the spanish club. Barça has caught up both in trophies and in global branding.

    I like MU much more than Liverpool but if they succeed in winning the PL and keep growing internationally, they have a very decent argument about being bigger or at least equal to MU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Copperpot View Post
    Manchester United and Real Madrid are the biggest clubs in the world, that is just a fact and i've posted these facts, so LOL at facts all you want, it doesn't change reality you are living in.

    I know Barcelona are the bandwagon team of choice for anti-Premier League folk in hope of getting one over on Premier League clubs, but yes i am an EPL lover, big believer the Premier League is the best in the world, does that bother you? Well you must hate reality because the Premier League being the best in the world is the era you are living in right now, if you don't like how things currently are how about cry about it or call for my ban again? Maybe that will make you feel better, it's not going to change what happens on the pitch though.
    I think MU is a big club although they are doing terrible since SAF retirement. However, MU can't be named as second biggest club in the world if we talk about trophies. Milan AC is above MU. Bayern Munich is above MU. MU just surpasses these clubs by their global branding.

    Before this era of Barça which has started around Ronaldinho arrival, i would have agreed about MU being bigger than the spanish club. Barça has caught up both in trophies and in global branding.

    I like MU much more than Liverpool but if they succeed in winning the PL and keep growing internationally, they have a very decent argument about being bigger or at least equal to MU.