10 - Lionel Messi - V6
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FCB1987
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Arizona Scott
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EV has only lost in one competition so far as manager for Barca, in fact best as I remember only lost one big match to date. The two CL collapses the previous two years and being pipped to the league one of those years cannot possible be on him. People seem to act like he has been with Barca during the Juve/PSG/Atleti meltdowns when he had nothing to do with them.
This tie is going to be a defensive struggle and come down to a few magic plays or big blunders. We will have more possession, Liverpool will tighten up pressure in their own half and seek to counter but Klopps 1st priority will be to defend Messi and co.
dont get messi. this year he's had so many special matches. the betis one, man united, where pundits , fans, opposition fans even are calling him the best ever, what's changed? just motivation?
if so, that's a bit of a let down what's been happening the last few years.
just seems so driven this year. pitty he can;t have this mad attitude all time.
i mean he's at end stage of his career, forget about being burnt out now, just play every game like it's your last.
that's when we see the best messi, the messi that played against arsenal, the messi that played against other CL teams.
he seem's quick enough to do any damage against any defence when dribbling.
if so, that's a bit of a let down what's been happening the last few years.
just seems so driven this year. pitty he can;t have this mad attitude all time.
i mean he's at end stage of his career, forget about being burnt out now, just play every game like it's your last.
that's when we see the best messi, the messi that played against arsenal, the messi that played against other CL teams.
he seem's quick enough to do any damage against any defence when dribbling.
ini4ever
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Yeah, when he's motivated he's playing the best it actually bugs me when he says records aren't important for him dude why you want to stop here just keep going. Learn from Ronaldo he has 5 bdr and still push himself further.
FinBarcelonafan
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Humans are not like robots. We need bigger purpose to push ourselves. I guess this is his season to prove himself again as a top player. it motivates him.
Arizona Scott
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What changed, a bit more rest (including not the extra high intensity national team matches), a little more help/deeper roster?
The problem with this take is the dude is a homo sapien, and unfortunately as great of a footballer he is that fact leads to physical and mental limitations as well as lack of perfection.
He had the same motivation last year and the year before. Do ye not remember the Chelsea game. He was just unfortunate to not be fully fit vs Roma and unfortunate that the whole team played so badly in that one away game. Remember he won the league and was to top scorer and that proves motivation over a season which is the most important thing. That really proves his motivation and that he is the best
Horatio
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Dunno...he has looked really fast this season and performed some wonderful dribbles.
Think he had more matches this season where he is sloppy with the passing.
But this season he has stepped up at more important moments.
Also had a setback because of injury.
Centauri B
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This is a series of posts made by a member on Redcafe claiming that Messi is over-hyped and that may not even be in the Top 10 players of all time. Now, many would say that this is just an idiot and why waste any time on what he says. But I think that there is a deeper issue here. In my view, this person is not an idiot at all, he is just reasonably confident that however wrongful his claims may be, there will be at least some support for them. If somebody's lies are not pointed out by others, then those lies can be presented as truths.
His main arguments on why Messi may not even be among the Top 10 of all time are the following two:
a) Who of us has seen all the greats of previous decades, going even all the way back to the early decades of the 20th Century?
b) Messi's stats are so awesome because he has been playing in a very good team in a very weak league. Notice when he wonders on what George Best's would have been had he been playing for Rangers in the Scottish league.
In matter of fact, both arguments (especially the 2nd) can be destroyed with ease. Firstly, the internet is chock full of videos and even entire games from Pele, Best & Maradona eras. Moreover, the stats of each past great are well known and with a little bit of patience and intelligence can be placed in a proper context and compared.
As for his attempt of drawing parallels between the Scottish league & La Liga in order to devalue Messi's achievements, this can be shot down by merely glancing at European Cup competition results of the past 20, and especially last 10 years. This line of argument also conveniently forgets that Messi is the number 2 all-time top-scorer in the Champions League, with a higher goals-per-game ratio to CR7 and enough time to overtake him, despite playing in a more playmaking position that Ronaldo.
Anyway, I thought it would be enjoyable to have a look at this absurd claims and how they can be repeated, even today.
His main arguments on why Messi may not even be among the Top 10 of all time are the following two:
a) Who of us has seen all the greats of previous decades, going even all the way back to the early decades of the 20th Century?
b) Messi's stats are so awesome because he has been playing in a very good team in a very weak league. Notice when he wonders on what George Best's would have been had he been playing for Rangers in the Scottish league.
In matter of fact, both arguments (especially the 2nd) can be destroyed with ease. Firstly, the internet is chock full of videos and even entire games from Pele, Best & Maradona eras. Moreover, the stats of each past great are well known and with a little bit of patience and intelligence can be placed in a proper context and compared.
As for his attempt of drawing parallels between the Scottish league & La Liga in order to devalue Messi's achievements, this can be shot down by merely glancing at European Cup competition results of the past 20, and especially last 10 years. This line of argument also conveniently forgets that Messi is the number 2 all-time top-scorer in the Champions League, with a higher goals-per-game ratio to CR7 and enough time to overtake him, despite playing in a more playmaking position that Ronaldo.
Anyway, I thought it would be enjoyable to have a look at this absurd claims and how they can be repeated, even today.
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