serghei
Senior Member
That's the point. He doesn't have to do all of the work. But the right work. Some of the right work he has to do, he ain't doing it.
10 - Lionel Messi - V6
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That's the point. He doesn't have to do all of the work. But the right work. Some of the right work he has to do, he ain't doing it.
messi2140
6racies Xavi
And as you mentioned thats a managerial issue. Besides Pep he mostly worked under bums whose plan a , b ,c is give the ball to Messi and hope for the best , Valverde just took that to the next level.
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You’d think that he would start to suspect that something ain’t right after all these years, but then he just goes and openly supports Valverde. It’s mindboggling.
serghei
Senior Member
No, that's firstly a managerial issue. There are more than one causes. Everything starts with Barto and Valverde, they're the main responsible. Senior are major parts of the whole thing too though. Messi, Suarez, Busi, Rakitic, Alba, these guys can't be arsed. That's why they're backing Valverde.
MagIX
Senior Member
I agree, that's the problem.
I was hoping that with the arrival of Couthino and Dembele (300mio !!) we would have corrected the problem, we'd take some of the responsibility away from him.
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messi2140
6racies Xavi
The least I expected was an ambigious answer from , something like " It's not up to me to decide who the manager is". Him fully backing Valverde had me fucked up no doubt. It is what it is at this point.
soul24rage
Senior Member
Agreed, thats one of the few things that pissed me off about Messi.
Completely agree. I would love to see which arguments people have against this. Also we have to play 442 with Messi with a medium/low bloke.
soul24rage
Senior Member
I mean we could ask the striker to join help in the defense so that 9 players can defend instead of 8 so it's a 451 instead of a 442.
But yeah Messi should at the very least press the person who is 5-10m away.
serghei
Senior Member
He should at least keep the shape so that when teammates press he is not leaving the other team a free option for a pass. Doesn't have to track that player and mark him, but at least move in a way to cut that pass or make it harder for the team in possession. But he's not even doing that.
When I say he has to do more defensive work I don't mean running like crazy. Just the average acceptable level for an attacking player in this modern game where teams usually defend with 10 players.
Yes but what are the argument for a person who gets paid so much can’t press? I mean what the fuck? He is a professional athlete ?
What are the reasons?
serghei
Senior Member
The most plausible reason is that he doesn't like to do it. Slacking off is one of the main by-products of having too much talent at times. You think you don't have to work quite as hard as others. And when you have managers who don't have the balls to correct this kind of behavior, or at least temperate it, it grows until it becomes a problem.
The higher the talent, the more you run the risk of using that talent to sometimes bail you out for working as hard as others.
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soul24rage
Senior Member
I wish for all of that too.
not sure, maybe he's lazy, maybe the manager asked him not to press. Who knows. We can't be 100% sure what the reasons are.
serghei
Senior Member
Anyway, I repeat, most of these issues are cup format and CL-based. In La Liga teams are generally not good enough to cope with the sheer amount of talent Messi has. No team can approach weekly games with insane intensity. The lesser the intensity and hard work the opponent has and is willing to put in a game, the more damage Messi does.
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xXKonan
Senior Member
I think the most frustrating thing about Messi for me is not really his on-pitch performances but the unwillingness to come out and realize that things could really be better even if that means he has to rub some feelings the wrong way. But instead, he seems content with backing the likes of Valverde and letting him continue to drive the team further to the ground with incompetence.
IMO he is afraid of speaking out and coming off as a total bad guy that he's throwing his own coaches and some fellow players of his under the bus. My respect would increase ten-fold if he came out and actually criticized the manager and some of the players because frankly it's been a long time coming. If guys like Rakitic, Busi and the other captains, etc can't deal with it then they should do everyone a favor and leave.
His words would mean a lot. I'm sick of the idea of some key Veterans and the manager hiding behind Messi because he basically allows it.
IMO he is afraid of speaking out and coming off as a total bad guy that he's throwing his own coaches and some fellow players of his under the bus. My respect would increase ten-fold if he came out and actually criticized the manager and some of the players because frankly it's been a long time coming. If guys like Rakitic, Busi and the other captains, etc can't deal with it then they should do everyone a favor and leave.
His words would mean a lot. I'm sick of the idea of some key Veterans and the manager hiding behind Messi because he basically allows it.
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