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    Quote Originally Posted by KingLeo10 View Post
    there must be something fundamentally wrong with him. i've never seen a barca manager so publically brush off CL as it's some tin pot cup and treat copa as the WC. it would be tragicomical if it wasn't happening to us...
    He probably knows CL is out of his league and is doing what he can to downplay the massive humiliation he suffered in this competition. The only thing that could make us forget the humiliation of this season is to win it the next season. Nothing else.

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    EV's CL dismissal is about focusing and motivating the dressing room for the rest of the season. Similar statement was made by Lucho after last year's CL exit, but nobody gave a fuck, because at that point it was official the guy was leaving the club and we ended with just the Copa in our hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windhook View Post
    EV's CL dismissal is about focusing and motivating the dressing room for the rest of the season. Similar statement was made by Lucho after last year's CL exit, but nobody gave a fuck, because at that point it was official the guy was leaving the club and we ended with just the Copa in our hands.
    It's obvious why he is doing what he is doing at this point. But the question is why did we ever end up at this point (knocked out of CL..) EV can try and sugercoat it as much as he wants and I'm sure if we beat sevilla today he will do just that. Still will not make up for his collosal fuck up in the CL I don't care if we take LA liga and the cup he still needs to go home at the end of the season.

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    We need to pull out the best performance of the season to win,anything less won't be enough.

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    I feel we are being to negative about it. After the supercopa matches would you have signed yes to winning la liga possibly as invincibles and another potential copa couples with a cl quarter final exit? We probably all would have since we expected a way worse season.

    Still, the position we were in and how the clear problems Valverde/this team have leave a sour taste after out cl exit. Especially with Real bossing it every year.
    We really need Valverde to learn from this since they wont be firing him. We need A world class midfield that can create and a team
    That depends less on Messi and has the hunger of a klopp team for example. Ever since the pep days (bar 2015) our team has looked uninterested and lethargic when it mattered most. And to add insult to
    Injury our football is boring and safety first mourinho light style.
    I really hope Valverde learns from this and makes the right call.

    For now, lets focus fully on the copa though. Winning another double is rare. At this point we need to grab it and fully focus on getting that invincible la liga win. Domestically it would be one of our greatest seasons ever and we need to be gratefull for it and let our cl fuck up and clear team problems ruin this for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronaldinho10 View Post
    It's obvious why he is doing what he is doing at this point. But the question is why did we ever end up at this point (knocked out of CL..) EV can try and sugercoat it as much as he wants and I'm sure if we beat sevilla today he will do just that. Still will not make up for his collosal fuck up in the CL I don't care if we take LA liga and the cup he still needs to go home at the end of the season.
    Good post. Valverde is trying to keep his job and he is making the Copa sound like the World Cup. The Champions League is the biggest trophy followed by the league and then the Copa. Do us Barca fans give a shit who wins the FA cup? Hell, no! We debate back and forth about the Cl though. Even when we're no longer in it. There is losing and there is losing the Valverde way. Blowing a 4-1lead against a mediocre team playing cowardly football. At this club that is unforgivable.

    Valverde out please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raskolnikov View Post
    I feel we are being to negative about it. After the supercopa matches would you have signed yes to winning la liga possibly as invincibles and another potential copa couples with a cl quarter final exit? We probably all would have since we expected a way worse season.

    Still, the position we were in and how the clear problems Valverde/this team have leave a sour taste after out cl exit. Especially with Real bossing it every year.
    We really need Valverde to learn from this since they wont be firing him. We need A world class midfield that can create and a team
    That depends less on Messi and has the hunger of a klopp team for example. Ever since the pep days (bar 2015) our team has looked uninterested and lethargic when it mattered most. And to add insult to
    Injury our football is boring and safety first mourinho light style.
    I really hope Valverde learns from this and makes the right call.

    For now, lets focus fully on the copa though. Winning another double is rare. At this point we need to grab it and fully focus on getting that invincible la liga win. Domestically it would be one of our greatest seasons ever and we need to be gratefull for it and let our cl fuck up and clear team problems ruin this for now.
    Don't think so.

    First, you have to look at some things about our CL run.

    We had:

    1) Massive luck with draws. Played 5th placed Chelsea in EPL, and 4th placed Roma in Italy. Madrid gets this draw and we make fun of them for having an EL run, and discredit them after they win the CL with a similar draw. We couldn't even make the semifinal.

    2) Luck in games. Chelsea hit the post 4 times, and could've scored 3-4 goals against us easily. We had Messi to speculate their errors and Courtois was a mess, that was pretty much all we did to get through. That and holding on protecting the lead because Chelsea almost played without a striker. If Chelsea had Dzeko on form, chances are we would've lost in England by some goals.

    3) 4-1 lead in the QF after the first game. Totally undeserved, but still it's a 3 goal lead against a much inferior side.

    You add those 3 points and you realise that it is very unlikely that we have the same luck next season. So if Valverde capitulated in Emery's style this season, maybe next season we'll get a super tough opponent instead of Roma. If you were schooled tactically by Roma, how are we to expect this team to win the CL next season when we will probably face better, bigger, tougher teams?

    So, sure, going out of CL is not a huge tragedy normally. But going out when when you draw the 2nd easiest team and have a 4-1 lead from the first leg is unforgivable. Next season we won't have it this easy. Valverde will need to make this team perform not better than this season in CL. But much better. I don't think he can do it. He's not that good of a manager.

    Sure, if Valverde stays, which he shouldn't, he'll have to dramatically change several things. He got so many things wrong in CL that I doubt he can do it. He'll have to stop being a scared little shit, he'll have to rotate properly, he'll have to remember that we have a great squad (full of internationals who play for their national teams in far tougher games than the ones in La Liga they are not trusted in), he'll have to drop his idiotic rigid 4-4-2 who got easily exploited by the likes of Roma and Chelsea away, he'll have to develop the young players, not just penalize them when they have off games by benching them. So many things he needs to improve on that the most likely scenario next season in CL is another exit before the semis. Because managers can't change fundamental things in a season by season basis. Some of his problems are in key areas that are needed in order to build a great new Barca team. He's just not the man for the job. This is a manager who is okayish if you need to get the last ounce of football from an aging team.

    But going forward, the likes of Stegen, Umtiti, Semedo, Coutinho, Griezmann (if he comes), Dembele, Alena (needs to get integrated ASAP), Arthur. These guys will have to be the main men in our team, the new backbone. Them with veterans already, like Pique, Busi, Alba (getting to that status) and Messi will have to be the new Barca. How is Valverde going to develop them to the point of seriously challenging for the CL? Just don't see it. Lacks creativity, mentoring skills, lacks drive and energy to motivate this team, lacks a clear and cohesive plan for our offensive play etc. You have to do a lot more than just improve our defense by way of sacrificing creativity up front, basically replacing Neymar with a more defensive player like Roberto, Paulinho, or even Gomes in some important games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serghei View Post
    Don't think so.

    First, you have to look at some things about our CL run.

    We had:

    1) Massive luck with draws. Played 5th placed Chelsea in EPL, and 4th placed Roma in Italy. Madrid gets this draw and we make fun of them for having an EL run, and discredit them after they win the CL with a similar draw. We couldn't even make the semifinal.

    2) Luck in games. Chelsea hit the post 4 times, and could've scored 3-4 goals against us easily. We had Messi to speculate their errors and Courtois was a mess, that was pretty much all we did to get through. That and holding on protecting the lead because Chelsea almost played without a striker. If Chelsea had Dzeko on form, chances are we would've lost in England by some goals.

    3) 4-1 lead in the QF after the first game. Totally undeserved, but still it's a 3 goal lead against a much inferior side.

    You add those 3 points and you realise that it is very unlikely that we have the same luck next season. So if Valverde capitulated in Emery's style this season, maybe next season we'll get a super tough opponent instead of Roma. If you were schooled tactically by Roma, how are we to expect this team to win the CL next season when we will probably face better, bigger, tougher teams?

    So, sure, going out of CL is not a huge tragedy normally. But going out when when you draw the 2nd easiest team and have a 4-1 lead from the first leg is unforgivable. Next season we won't have it this easy. Valverde will need to make this team perform not better than this season in CL. But much better. I don't think he can do it. He's not that good of a manager.

    Sure, if Valverde stays, which he shouldn't, he'll have to dramatically change several things. He got so many things wrong in CL that I doubt he can do it. He'll have to stop being a scared little shit, he'll have to rotate properly, he'll have to remember that we have a great squad (full of internationals who play for their national teams in far tougher games than the ones in La Liga they are not trusted in), he'll have to drop his idiotic rigid 4-4-2 who got easily exploited by the likes of Roma and Chelsea away, he'll have to develop the young players, not just penalize them when they have off games by benching them. So many things he needs to improve on that the most likely scenario next season in CL is another exit before the semis. Because managers can't change fundamental things in a season by season basis. Some of his problems are in key areas that are needed in order to build a great new Barca team. He's just not the man for the job. This is a manager who is okayish if you need to get the last ounce of football from an aging team.

    But going forward, the likes of Stegen, Umtiti, Semedo, Coutinho, Griezmann (if he comes), Dembele, Alena (needs to get integrated ASAP), Arthur. These guys will have to be the main men in our team, the new backbone. Them with veterans already, like Pique, Busi, Alba (getting to that status) and Messi will have to be the new Barca. How is Valverde going to develop them to the point of seriously challenging for the CL? Just don't see it. Lacks creativity, mentoring skills, lacks drive and energy to motivate this team, lacks a clear and cohesive plan for our offensive play etc. You have to do a lot more than just improve our defense by way of sacrificing creativity up front, basically replacing Neymar with a more defensive player like Roberto, Paulinho, or even Gomes in some important games.
    I totally agree with you to be honest. Our cl campaign was a joke given the opponents. We should have reached semi’s/final this year. We have very clear issues in our team regarding players, tactics and especially the coach.
    Valverde is too much of a cowardfor my liking but he is the yesman Barto wanted so we cant expect him to make the changes needed. I dont see him making the changes you suggested either. I feel he will barely change anything. If its up to me we get Sarri from Napoli and Jorginho for Raketic position rather than wait for Arthur in january and rotate with bob.
    But as fans its not in our control. So we can only sulk about it and hope something changes for the better.

    But in the grand scheme of things its a good season result wise.
    I mean as someone who was a fan during the end of nuñez and the gaspart era the fact that we can become champions heading towards invincibles next week in riazor while depor will be relegated, have Real look like the classless pathetic club they are for refusing pastillo or becoming champions against them, possibly winning our fourth copa in a row and having the goat in messi.
    There is plenty of stuff wrong of course but I just mean that if we take step back and look at the overal situation it isnt all grim. Especially giving how we viewed things in august.
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    Valverde out , Guardiola in please . Look how he is bossing the best league in the world though he crashed out of cl quarter's despite spending shitload of oil money

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    Valverde has less experiense in ucl. that was the reason his failure in ucl. next season he will overcome the same . last year we have a very bad season. then we lost neymer. we lost super cup very badly.every one write off barca . but we return back.give at least a some credit to valvarde

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    Btw, in case you haven't noticed, Scum Madrid are not playing thier La Liga game this weekend so that they can play Bayern with full energy

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    Quote Originally Posted by kattanib View Post
    Btw, in case you haven't noticed, Scum Madrid are not playing thier La Liga game this weekend so that they can play Bayern with full energy
    Well their game this weekend suppose to be against Sevilla , it worked out for them

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    Hours before the cup final, and this thread is dead silent. Speaks volumes about what Valverde has done to our team and in turn the morale of the fans.

    Whatever the result, I hope he gets the hell out of here at the end of the season. But somehow, I can't see that happening if we win the cup. If there's a guarantee he's gone at the end of the season if we lose the game, I wouldn't be the most distraught losing to a good Sevilla side.
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    Same old slow boring ignorant lineup