21 - Frenkie de Jong
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BarcaOG
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he was basically a child when barca was super dominant. he must be like wtf this is not the club i wanted to join
Thought he would dominate the whole world with Barca.
Many bashed Rakitic for being less creative in his later years with Barca. But how about De Jong? Is he really creative with Barca? Nope.
Is Barca better now? Surely no.
If all Messi, Pique, Busquest, Roberto, Alba leave, who will be the next punching bag??
Is Barca better now? Surely no.
If all Messi, Pique, Busquest, Roberto, Alba leave, who will be the next punching bag??
malvolio
Senior Member
he's the future of this club, captain material and the man we'll build the team around
JamDav1982
Senior Member
he's the future of this club, captain material and the man we'll build the team around
Better shout than 'Messi is best in world' though....
FDJ needs to step up for Barca though and when/if does should be the player midfield is built round which is what Barca should have and not a team built to serve a sulky older player that does nothing to help the team off the ball.
FinBarcelonafan
Well-known member
If Suarez played sixty percent of the games we would have to see him season after too. That was a big negative.
Sure, we are worse now without the old players but it was going to happen sooner or later. How many more years Raki/Suarez/Pique/Messi would have on top? Exactly. I'd give max 1-2 year, and even then they are not the best in the world anymore. How bad would they be in two years time? We had to make this team younger, even Messi said that.
CatalinR10
Senior Member
That Mingueza dude gave as many assists last game in 60 minutes , as a CB , than FDJ all season.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
He needs to move the ball quicker.
Takes a lot of touches and seems a bit too desperate to carry ball forward rather than move it as quickly as can.
Alena is nowhere near the player FDJ is but in that second half the other night all he did was move it forward as soon as could and it made all contributed to the pressure on Kiev and the options in final third.
Although there were a lot of young players moving for options which makes a difference.
He does seem to have a better passing range than he is showing at moment. There was a game at end of last season he came on at DM v Alaves in link below and he passed early and zinged it about.
Needs to get back to more of that.
Takes a lot of touches and seems a bit too desperate to carry ball forward rather than move it as quickly as can.
Alena is nowhere near the player FDJ is but in that second half the other night all he did was move it forward as soon as could and it made all contributed to the pressure on Kiev and the options in final third.
Although there were a lot of young players moving for options which makes a difference.
He does seem to have a better passing range than he is showing at moment. There was a game at end of last season he came on at DM v Alaves in link below and he passed early and zinged it about.
Needs to get back to more of that.
You just need to look back to his last season with Ajax to see his value. I was genuinely excited about the signing, and felt he was exactly the sort of player Barca needed. A young dynamic midfielder with the ability to beat a man and run into space. With fast-paced wingers Dembele) and intelligent forwards (Messi) the space would open up and so should scoring opportunities. Unfortunately Barca's first thought these days upon regaining possession is to hold and wait for support. Messi is an issue in this regard as he's not capable of playing a full game of counter-attack football.
OK imo Liverpool, Munich and Madrid have been the most successful teams of the past 5/6 years. All three have succeeded through team chemsitry and in the latter's case some pure rabbit out a hat wizaerdry (with abit of luck). The first two rely mainly on a form of intense in the opposition's half pressure together with pacy wing hit the byline to stretch the play football. Thee really insn't the possession-based play seen at Barca. Madrid is a hybrid of both, or they certainly were until CR left.
What Barca failed to understand was that they either had to go back to the tiki-taka high intensity pressing that defined them or they had to continue with the success Luis Enrique eventualy fostered. They did neither! The midfield deteriorated, the defence deteriorated and and the attack fell off a cliff (neymar left and Suarez just got shit). It was the failure to get the midfield right that got the snowball rolling toward the absymal position Barca are in now. Players like FjJ should hav ebeen introduced in 2015. Selling Tiago was just plain mental. Integrating Academy players was a necessity but rrely happened. Still doesn't, and now that they're in danger of missing out on top4 it's even more unlikely.
Point is that if you're still going to build around Messi into his 30s you had to bring in the technical players that could work with him. It might have taken a couple of years for them to get up to speed but they would need to press as well. The Board didn't they went for young experienced speed, AND neglected the most important part of teh pitch, the midfield! Messi was never going to sustain the 2015 style unless he was able to remain further up the pitch. He hasn't been able to remain further up the pitch because the MIDFIELD has never been good enough since that last treble-winning season.
I've rambled a bit here, I'll stop.
tl;dr Recruitment has been shit, there has been no real defined style, it's been cobbled together around goat-level Messi. Messi has papered over teh cracks, until now!!
OK imo Liverpool, Munich and Madrid have been the most successful teams of the past 5/6 years. All three have succeeded through team chemsitry and in the latter's case some pure rabbit out a hat wizaerdry (with abit of luck). The first two rely mainly on a form of intense in the opposition's half pressure together with pacy wing hit the byline to stretch the play football. Thee really insn't the possession-based play seen at Barca. Madrid is a hybrid of both, or they certainly were until CR left.
What Barca failed to understand was that they either had to go back to the tiki-taka high intensity pressing that defined them or they had to continue with the success Luis Enrique eventualy fostered. They did neither! The midfield deteriorated, the defence deteriorated and and the attack fell off a cliff (neymar left and Suarez just got shit). It was the failure to get the midfield right that got the snowball rolling toward the absymal position Barca are in now. Players like FjJ should hav ebeen introduced in 2015. Selling Tiago was just plain mental. Integrating Academy players was a necessity but rrely happened. Still doesn't, and now that they're in danger of missing out on top4 it's even more unlikely.
Point is that if you're still going to build around Messi into his 30s you had to bring in the technical players that could work with him. It might have taken a couple of years for them to get up to speed but they would need to press as well. The Board didn't they went for young experienced speed, AND neglected the most important part of teh pitch, the midfield! Messi was never going to sustain the 2015 style unless he was able to remain further up the pitch. He hasn't been able to remain further up the pitch because the MIDFIELD has never been good enough since that last treble-winning season.
I've rambled a bit here, I'll stop.
tl;dr Recruitment has been shit, there has been no real defined style, it's been cobbled together around goat-level Messi. Messi has papered over teh cracks, until now!!
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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De Jong is class, pure class! This man destroyed the midfield of Real and Juventus on his own but he needs another good midfield player next to him to shine.
A bit of a contradiction don't you think?
Fati_Future_BallonDor
Well-known member
He needs a good player next to him therewith he can show his class. Do you think every player becomes a maestro when a good player plays with him?! Its not a contradiction.
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