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    Quote Originally Posted by clemente View Post
    If La Masia is so low, why is Alena so good? Also people say Puig apparently has even higher ceiling than Alena?

    People wanted Malcom for Dembele for a week maybe, but mostly it was over Suarez, Coutinho.

    How many times we played against a top opponent? He usually underestimates teams like Levante, Betis, fields Messi at his home and we get smashed.

    Paulinho, Vidal would fit into literally any team, endless stamina, strong, good headers, talkative, there is nothing to "integrate", there are system players, and there are players like Vidal.

    Lucho being bad doesn't excuse EV from being worse.

    Main thing in the end to posts like this, where would we be without Messi? Especially last season? Top 4? top 10? Would EV survive even 3 months here?
    We used to have a slightly longer list of ‘talents’ that should start to get integrated according to forum. But that list quickly was dumbed down to just Aleña and Puig I think right after Copa del Rey first round.

    Regarding Dembele, thats my point, the fickleness of the forum. Some were looking for options to sell him.

    Regarding Paulinho and Vidal, easy to say in hindsight. Integrations couldve completely gone wrong under a different coach. And I am addressing general sentiment here, not your personal opinion. Paulinho was set for failure by many and some(not as much) didnt see the purpose of getting Vidal early in the season.

    In terms of making new players useful that are bought the club, Valverde is better.

    Top opponents: Juventus, Spurs, Chelsea, Sevilla, Atletico, Real over two seasons. We didnt lose a single leg since the supercopa games.

    Losing messi will be a big hit for the club, but the same for any other club that would lose a player that is deemed the best. Look at Real and Ronaldo. And Messidepencia has been a problem in the making long before VV. Anyways, we did well this season during Messis absence.

    1.5 year ago Barca was doomed to end because of crisis and would get worse if we didnt get rid of Barto. Fast forward and we aint doing bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serghei View Post
    Setien coaching Barcelona beats the shit out of a Betis managed by Valverde. That's for sure.
    What a ridiculous hypothetical situation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trickykid View Post
    What a ridiculous hypothetical situation
    Why is it ridiculous?

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    Quote Originally Posted by serghei View Post
    Why is it ridiculous?
    Because it's completely hypothetical of course. As far as I know, EV hasn't been at Betis, and Setien will never be Barça coach either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trickykid View Post
    Because it's completely hypothetical of course. As far as I know, EV hasn't been at Betis, and Setien will never be Barça coach either.
    Most comparisons are hypothetical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by serghei View Post
    Most comparisons are hypothetical.
    Nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trickykid View Post
    Nonsense.
    Really? Do you think there's a non-hypothetical way to compare Valverde with Setien and arrive at the conclusion that Valverde is better? I'd like to hear it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by serghei View Post
    Really? Do you think there's a non-hypothetical way to compare Valverde with Setien and arrive at the conclusion that Valverde is better? I'd like to hear it.
    As I said, there's no point in comparing them in clubs they have never coached, which is why why should be compared now. Setien won the first bout, EV learned from it and humbled him in the second. Pretty simple, really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by serghei View Post
    Really? Do you think there's a non-hypothetical way to compare Valverde with Setien and arrive at the conclusion that Valverde is better? I'd like to hear it.
    We dont need to compare them, because EV is our coach, and he does damn good job. When he doesnt you can talk about alternatives. If it aint broke, dont fix it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trickykid View Post
    As I said, there's no point in comparing them in clubs they have never coached, which is why why should be compared now. Setien won the first bout, EV learned from it and humbled him in the second. Pretty simple, really.
    Far from simple. Barcelona managed by Valverde schooled Betis managed by Setien. This doesn't translate to some sort of superiority of Valverde over Setien in terms of management skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havesaks View Post
    We dont need to compare them, because EV is our coach, and he does damn good job. When he doesnt you can talk about alternatives. If it aint broke, dont fix it.
    How can we know he does "damn" good job? After all this Barcelona won the double coached by Jordi Roura playing even better football!

    When we do an assessment it's against a set of standards, isn't it? What're your criteria for a successful manager and leader of Barcelona?
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    I thought EV subs were good this time. Arthur had some brain farts and needed to be pulled. That kind of thing will allow Arthur to work harder (that's his character) and make improvements. I commend EV on that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by serghei View Post
    Far from simple. Barcelona managed by Valverde schooled Betis managed by Setien. This doesn't translate to some sort of superiority of Valverde over Setien in terms of management skills.
    In that one game it obviously did. And if you actually read my original post, you'd see I only referred to that one alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George_Costanza View Post
    How can we know he does "damn" good job? After all this Barcelona won the double coached by Jordi Roura playing even better football!

    When we do an assessment it's against a set of standards, isn't it? What're your criteria for a successful manager and leader of Barcelona?
    Coached by Roura, created by Pep. In Tito(Roura) and Tata years, we just played with a team created by Pep where the system already was drilled into our players, and the players were basically the same. We didnt evovle at all, and all tho it was enough to win domestically, we did pay the price vs big teams. So im basically saying, im fine how tito/roura did it, but the groundwork was done by pep, and they really didnt do anything special.

    It depends.Tito/Roura were successful enough, but lets say Valverde only won league first year, i would still consider him more successful and impressive ( to Tito/rouras double) because of the circumstances he had to operate under.
    Tito/roura never got the chance to prove themselves (all though they kinda did vs big teams and failed miserably changing tactics), but it was the easy but still right choice to continue Peps work.

    What Valverde has accomplished is far beyond that. Our second best player and vital for our formation and tactics, backstabbed the club after pre-season. Valverde needed therefore to completely change his tactics. And introduced 4-4-2 distancing us from both ATM and Real and finally winning la liga and Copa del rey. We also had a lot of bad media talk in that first half year, where his personality did great work to not let it affect the team. What he did accomplish in his first year is so underrated, its crazy, just because of a bad levante-game and especially roma-game. He did an amazing job. Now in his second year, he again is top of the leauge and cdr finale - found a way to make the team competitive with 4-3-3 and a lot of old players. This squad was and is WC and terms of talent but in terms of composition (how well they work togehter) its actually pretty bad, the players dont fit/fitted each other that well (age, type, etc.) and Valverde has found a system/systems to make our WC player work as a team and is in the making of winning us the double/treble.

    I dont really have a specific general creteria(s). It always depends on the circumstances.