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    Coutinho a 'one season wonder'?

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    Serri at Napoli:

    G:117 W:78 D:20 L:19 %:66.67

    'one season wonder'?

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    This week will pretty much prove if Valverde is just another Tata or not

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    Official website tells it like it is here


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    Quote Originally Posted by michelco View Post
    Serri at Napoli:

    G:117 W:78 D:20 L:19 %:66.67

    'one season wonder'?
    He is at Napoli for 2 full seasons and 13 rounds of this season.
    Before that he coached Empoli, Sorento, Alessandria, Grosseto, Perugia, Verona etc.

    Napoli finished 2nd, 3rd and 5th in 3 seasons before Sarri.
    With Sarri they finished 2nd and 3rd.

    So, yes, he improved them, but it is not as if he turned the 8th placed club into a current leader.
    Napoli is Italian Atletico Madrid or Sevilla, with or without Sarri.

    Anyway, if his team won't win a title this year, what is exactly a reason to hire him?
    = his team plays a nice passing-based football?

    When he'll mix both a title and a nice football, we should consider him as one of candidates.
    As I have wrote earlier today, Sampaoli's Sevilla played the most beautiful football only 12 Months ago.

    12 Months later, luckily, we didn't hire that crazy guy and we are on top of the table with +10 points infront of RM.

    Anyway, a random question for guys who talk a lot about beauty:
    1. do you think that Real plays more beautiful than us this season?
    2. and is there any team in Spain for whom you think that they play more beautiful than us, but don't post crazy answers like Rayo and Las Palmas. I mean, is there any top team, who is BOTH winning points and playing more beautiful than us?
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barcaman View Post
    Official website tells it like it is here

    Where's Umtiti?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelouch vi Britannia View Post
    Where's Umtiti?
    Racism.

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    Will be very interesting to see Valverdes line ups against Juve and Valencia.

    I watched Valencia against Leganes and wasn't impressed with them. Having said that we sucked against Leganes too.

    Really disappointed with Valverde not giving the B team players any minutes. It's one of the reasons he was hired. Also Messi is playing way too deep, He needs to be closer to the opposition penalty box. At the moment I see him at the half way line o4 in our half.

    Also Valverde needs to reward performance. His handling of Semedo is abysmal. Ditto Denis.

    No real minutes for Alena, Arnaiz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barcilliant View Post
    Will be very interesting to see Valverdes line ups against Juve and Valencia.

    I watched Valencia against Leganes and wasn't impressed with them. Having said that we sucked against Leganes too.

    Really disappointed with Valverde not giving the B team players any minutes. It's one of the reasons he was hired. Also Messi is playing way too deep, He needs to be closer to the opposition penalty box. At the moment I see him at the half way line o4 in our half.

    Also Valverde needs to reward performance. His handling of Semedo is abysmal. Ditto Denis.

    No real minutes for Alena, Arnaiz.
    Valverde docent give me the impression of being a maneger able to develop a player. Not just in terms of youngsters but already established players. Thats another thing people never mention about Pep and Sarri as well. These manegers improve their players. Bayern players have previously accused Ancelotti for not focusing on improving each individual player.

    Imagine if Pep or Sarri had Alena, Roberto or even Denis Suarez. These players would shine under those manegers. Valverde seems to ignore Alena and play Rakitic who has been underperforming for some time. He simply needs to get more out of those players otherwise they will leave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riordon View Post
    Valverde docent give me the impression of being a maneger able to develop a player. Not just in terms of youngsters but already established players. Thats another thing people never mention about Pep and Sarri as well. These manegers improve their players. Bayern players have previously accused Ancelotti for not focusing on improving each individual player.

    Imagine if Pep or Sarri had Alena, Roberto or even Denis Suarez. These players would shine under those manegers. Valverde seems to ignore Alena and play Rakitic who has been underperforming for some time. He simply needs to get more out of those players otherwise they will leave.
    You make it sound as if Roberto, Denis and Alena are more important than some other players.

    If Roberto will play as a RB, Semedo will be sad. So, Semedo might leave.
    If Roberto will play as a CM, Rakitic, Paulinho, Rafinha, Alena, Gomes will be sad and they might all leave.
    If Alena will plays as a CM, Rakitic, Paulinho, Rafinha, Denis, Gomes, Alena will be sad and they might all leave.

    Unless if you think that Roberto, Denis are more important than any other player in the team. And that their sadness is more important than sadness of Rakitic, Paulinho or Gomes.
    I could understand a point about Alena, since he has a lot of potential.
    I don't get the point about Denis or Roberto and why those 2 should play more than some other players. If they had such a great quality and potential, they would have already earned their starting place here.

    About developing a player, Pep had Busquets, Pedro, Pique and similar.
    Luis Enrique and Valverde have a level of quality of Sandro, Munir, Halilovic, Adama, Samper, Bartra and similar.
    With this level of quality, nor Pep nor all magicians in the world would be able to do something.

    Also, Valverde is here for 3 Months and you say that he is not good in developing or improving current players.
    Mats improved a lot this season? With that logic, we could say that EV is a reason for that.
    Semedo is improving since he came.
    Deulofeu is improving.
    Paulinho is improving.
    Gomes is less bad than last season.
    Denis is better than in his ghost season.
    Alba is better than last season.
    Umtiti is improving all the time.
    Roberto is a better RB than last season.

    Under any coach there will be 5-10 players who are improving and who are declining.
    And yet, EV is here for only 3 Months.

    In short, these are some remarks from our forum from the last few pages, a list of things which EV should have done in 3 Months:
    1. we need to win points, win matches, win La Liga and be a Champions league contender
    2. we need to play both beautiful and win matches in the same time, and be the most dominating force in the world
    3. while playing beautiful and winning points (infront of RM who won 3 CLs in the last 4 years), EV should in the same time find enough of time to play Alena and Arnaiz, plus Semedo, Denis, Roberto, possibly Samper, Marlon, Mina.
    4. we should buy more promising youngsters (Lemar, Goretzka etc) and play them right away (along with Denis, Roberto, Semedo, Alena, Arnaiz, Samper, Marlon, Mina), and maintain our beautiful play, rotations, winning points, winning trophies, dominating in possession, dominating in attack, dominating in pressure, dominating in defense, playing triangles, one-twos, awesome actions etc.

    You guys have raised the bar insanely high and you have insanely unrealistic expectations.
    For the 100th time, I can't shake off an impression that Pep's era has raised the bar way too high in minds of 90% of our fans.

    Not to mention that it is almost impossible to:
    1. play beautiful and win all the time (unless you are Barca from 2008-2012)
    2. winning trophies and play with lots of youngsters in your team whom you are trying to develop
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post

    If Roberto will play as a CM, Rakitic, Paulinho, Rafinha, Alena, Gomes will be sad and they might all leave.
    If Alena will plays as a CM, Rakitic, Paulinho, Rafinha, Denis, Gomes will be sad and they might all leave.
    I don't give a fuck if Rakitić is sad, because he makes me sad most of the time when he plays. He feels like pig in a mud currently with his privileges and needs a kick up his arse (We have seen what can he do when he is motivated, sadly that is in 20% of the games, the other games are mainly sidepasses). Same for Gomes. Rafinha is injured 90% of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FCBfan22 View Post
    I don't give a fuck if Rakitić is sad, because he makes me sad most of the time when he plays. He feels like pig in a mud currently with his privileges and needs a kick up his arse (We have seen what can he do when he is motivated, sadly that is in 20% of the games, the other games are mainly sidepasses). Same for Gomes. Rafinha is injured 90% of the time.
    So, feelings of some players ARE important and feelings of some others AREN'T important. Nice to hear.
    Further, for who's feelings do you care then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    Also, Valverde is here for 3 Months and you say that he is not good in developing or improving current players.
    Mats improved a lot this season? With that logic, we could say that EV is a reason for that.
    Semedo is improving since he came.
    Deulofeu is improving.
    Paulinho is improving.
    Gomes is less bad than last season.
    Denis is better than in his ghost season.
    Alba is better than last season.
    Umtiti is improving all the time.
    Roberto is a better RB than last season.
    Once in a blue moon I can find something to agree with you on. I liked this part as you provide some welcoming optimism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    So, feelings of some players ARE important and feelings of some others AREN'T important. Nice to hear.
    Further, for who's feelings do you care then?