Nelson Semedo

Devils

Senior Member
I have mentioned in the past that stats can be tricky and not telling the whole story (when DonAndres was saying that Thiago is a better defender than Rakitic, lol).
Anyway, look at what stats say:
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/90782/History/Sergi-Roberto
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/296363/History/N%C3%A9lson-Semedo
This season:
Attacking, Key passes:
Roberto 1,2
Semedo 0,4

Dribbles:
Semedo 0,9
Roberto 0,6

Defensive:
Tackles:
2018:
Roberto 1,2
Semedo 1,1
2017:
Roberto 2,1
Semedo 1,4

Interceptions:
2018:
Roberto 1,9
Semedo 1,1
2017:
Roberto 1,3
Semedo 0,9

Clearances:
2018:
Roberto 0,7
Semedo 0,7
2017:
Semedo 0,9
Roberto 0,8

Blocks:
2018:
Semedo 0,3
Roberto 0,1
2017:
Roberto 0,3
Semedo 0,1

Dribbled past per game (a negative stat):
2018:
Roberto 0,3
Semedo 0,1
2017:
Roberto 0,8
Semedo 0,5

So, Roberto is better in attack.
And in defense, Roberto is much better in interceptions.
Better in tackles also.
They are equal in clearances and blocks.
Semedo is ONLY less dribbled past per game.

All in all, stats imply:
Roberto is better in attacking phase.
And he is better in defending, except being dribbled past more often.

Oh, and:
Assists in the last 2 seasons:
Roberto 11
Semedo 0

So, as you see, Semedo can't win this duel "automatically"...



Last 2 seasons:
Semedo: 34 matches, 0 assists, key passes around 0,45 in Barca's career
Roberto: 51 matches, 11 assists, key passes around 0,8 in the last 2 seasons

In defensive stats, Roberto is also better, according to stats from above.

Your stats aren't going to show how many times Roberto has left a wide gap on the right flank while being too high up the pitch, leaving an opposition to attack through that medium or how many times he has been caught out of position while venturing the midfield, or how Barcelona's right flank has been easy picking for our opposition this season.

Your stats neglected Roberto's biggest flaw, being consistently out of position and being unable to recover when the opposition exploit it.
 
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biraboyz

Banned
Your stats aren't going to show how many times Roberto has left a wide gap on the right flank while being too high up the pitch, leaving an opposition to attack through that medium or how many times he has been caught out of position while venturing the midfield, or how Barcelona's right flank has been easy picking for our opposition this season.

Your stats neglected Roberto's biggest flaw, being consistently out of position and being unable to recover when the opposition exploit it.

Yup, and fanboys will continue ignored that a division 2 player exposed Semedo's so called better defense in CDR. :lol:
Both are not good enough for the RB, sell both players. But Roberto is a swiss knife that can sub multiple positions, Semedo sell this summer or improve his attacks :wave:
 

Potroh

New member
In defensive stats, Roberto is also better, according to stats from above.

Hey I'm not 100% certain these statistics are perfect, but let's just say they are.
Nevertheless you need to consider SOME other important factors at least:

- Roberto is technically less skilled and perfect and way too slow compared to Semedo
- Roberto used to be and remains a substitute-type and is older than Semedo
- Roberto will not be able to develop further, but Semedo might under an able tutelage
- Roberto has been outstandingly favored by two different coaches by now, even when played badly, whereas Semedo only received more than two games in a row, when either Roberto was injured or played in midfield. Semedo became a frustrated player here.
- Roberto is a soft-type of player, anything but a defender-type, whereas Semedo could be a good defender with attacking skills because he is capable of dribbling
- Roberto has confidence, Semedo has been fleeced off all of his confidence by now... so one needs to objectively compare them only when both play confidently at their best and more importantly regularly

Thus the question is NOT which player has better present statistics but which one offers a better and long time solution in the position (unless a 3rd one will be bought soon).
 
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Nothanks

New member
in what world is semedo more skilled than roberto?

guy's number 1 pass is crossing into the left corner or all the way back to pique / busquets when reaching the halfway line

do you mean dribbling? because no.. not in that department either unless you consider kicking the ball past an opponent and running dribbling then i guess prime bale was better dribbler than 99% of footballers.

semedo is physically better than roberto that is true but the rest? nah
 

Cule4life

The Culest
BBZ says stats don't tell the whole story and then proceeds to write an essay on stats which doesn't even cover Roberto's biggest flaw. Oh BBZ never change :lol:

Just imagine in earlier times when there were no online stats, people used their actual eyes to judge players. Lazy/clueless fans are now using stats to showoff their football knowledge without even actually studying the game.

When you resort to "but but stats" to defend your fav player you've lost the argument. You'd think after the Cesc and Ozil cases people would wise up :lol:
 

Danic

New member
in what world is semedo more skilled than roberto?

guy's number 1 pass is crossing into the left corner or all the way back to pique / busquets when reaching the halfway line

do you mean dribbling? because no.. not in that department either unless you consider kicking the ball past an opponent and running dribbling then i guess prime bale was better dribbler than 99% of footballers.

semedo is physically better than roberto that is true but the rest? nah

Its not really dribbling what roberto does. He definatley makes a few good runs past opponents but always in a wide open space. In a small room semedo is definatly the better dribbler eith better ball control.
Regarding passes roberto is ofc superior. But due to him being a midfielder normaly this should be standard.
But the most important thing for me is. Semedo usually ( ofc everyone can have a bad day like in coppa) has absolute control over his side in defense and even manages to help out pique pretty often. Thats what i want from a RB and then we can talk about the offense.
 
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BBZ8800

Senior Member
BBZ says stats don't tell the whole story and then proceeds to write an essay on stats which doesn't even cover Roberto's biggest flaw. Oh BBZ never change :lol:

Just imagine in earlier times when there were no online stats, people used their actual eyes to judge players. Lazy/clueless fans are now using stats to showoff their football knowledge without even actually studying the game.

When you resort to "but but stats" to defend your fav player you've lost the argument. You'd think after the Cesc and Ozil cases people would wise up :lol:

Stats tell a lot of things.
But they are not perfect.
And there are things which can't be measured in stats.

Again, just that example where Thiago Alcantara looked like an offensive and defensive beast in stats.
And where even Fabregas have better defensive stats that obviously better and more defensive minded midfielders.
Because, if Thiago/Fabregas will apply pressure on the opponent's defenders and make 2-3 tackles per game in that way, it will seem that they are actually good defenders.
But they were good only in applying pressure high up the pitch.
On the other hand, when your team is sitting deep and defending against the opponent who is passing around your box, Fabregas may be a total crap in that version of "actual" defending around your box.
But, in stats, you will only see: 2,8 tackles per match.
And you won't know whether Fabregas/Thiago tackled the opponent's CB while trying to apply a pressure or he made a last minute tackle around our box and saved a deadly through ball or a shot.

So, stats do tell some things, but they are also misleading.
But also, you can't totally ignore stats.
If Messi is scoring 50 goals per seasons and Munir 10, there is usually a strong reason for it.

We should apply both:
1. stats
2. knowledge that stats aren't perfect and can be misleading while analyzing them
3. and a good old eye-test

But an eye test is quite subjective.
I mean, people needed 18 Months to slowly give up from Dembele, who was "a generational talent" for the 18 Months, lol.
While others think that Coutinho-Arthur would be a good midfield combination.

Also, if you read this topic, a lot of people are watching for only 1-2 things in the eye test:
1. majority don't pay attention to Dembele's defending in the eye test
2. majority didn't pay attention to holes which Coutinho was leaving behind his back as a midfielder
3. majority don't see "problems" in Semedo's build up play and they see only his defensive runs to close down a counter

So, yes, stats don't tell a whole story, and the eye test is quite subjective.
Do you have some other idea how to discuss players then except the "obvious":
1. Semedo is "obviously" (lol) better than Roberto
2. Dembele is obviously a generational talent and he played awesome tonight
3. Pique is obviously shit etc

Its not really dribbling what roberto does. He definatley makes a few good runs past opponents but always in a wide open space. In a small room semedo is definatly the better dribbler eith better ball control.
Regarding passes roberto is ofc superior. But due to him being a midfielder normaly this should be standard.
But the most important thing for me is. Semedo usually ( ofc everyone can have a bad day like in coppa) has absolute control over his side in defense and even manages to help out pique pretty often. Thats what i want from a RB and then we can talk about the offense.

If we play 442, then Roberto has more defensive control due to 4 true CMs and a man infront of him (Paulinho/Rakitic last season).
And he can still use his offensive abilities better than Semedo.

Semedo is good only in 433.
While 433 is a crap over and over with our current team, for like 5 years in a row.

So, basically Semedo sucks and is somewhat useful in defense only in a 433, a formation which isn't working too good for us for years.
Not because of EV, lol.
 
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fergus90

Senior Member
Roberto has been torn to shreds by most decent wingers, granted he pulls it out the bag usually in a Classico but he needs to be dropped for Semedo for an actual sustained period of time.
 

Danic

New member
Ofc Valverde is a part of 433 not working. Why should the manager not be a part?! Dont think there is only one way to play 433....
And why has roberto suddenly better defense control in a 442 then semedo? This makes absolutly sense. It should be easier in a 442 thats true.
 

Barcilliant

Senior Member
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People still defending Roberto after that magnum opus against Betis!!!

We might get a new rb next season but for now we're stuck with Semedo and Roberto. Semedo should get an extended rub but for some reason people are still fans of Robertos "offensive" contributions. Whatever that means.
 

hulinat

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People still defending Roberto after that magnum opus against Betis!!!

We might get a new rb next season but for now we're stuck with Semedo and Roberto. Semedo should get an extended rub but for some reason people are still fans of Robertos "offensive" contributions. Whatever that means.

Semedo is a great right back and has the potential to become what it takes. Sergi has literally been on fire this entire season and been one of our best players but he makes a mistake and all the dumbasses crawl out of their holes again.

You dont just start selling and buying players based on a few performance(s). Thats not how football works nor how you run the biggest club in the world lmao.
 

Cule4life

The Culest
Sergi has literally been on fire this entire season and been one of our best players but he makes a mistake and all the dumbasses crawl out of their holes again.

Watch Barca matches before spouting shit like that. Roberto has been getting his ass handed to him by every half decent winger all season.
 

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