BarcaOG
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totally agree. in terms of overall career i think CR has it
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totally agree. in terms of overall career i think CR has it
BarcaOG
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this is so biased and uncharitable its almost not worth engaging with. right, because ronaldo 9, henry and the others didnt play in good teams... what nonsense
serghei
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Lol, how can you compare Ronaldo with someone who barely ever scored a significant goal in CL like Ibrahimovic, and someone who hasn't scored an away goal in CL for half a decade like Suarez
? Dismissing Ronaldo as just a scorer is like saying Nadal doesn't belong in the GOAT conversation because he's just a baseliner with a two handed backhand, and not nearly as complete as Federer.
You can prefer Messi no problem, plenty of arguments, but you can prefer Ronaldo for a lot of reasons too, even though Messi is more complete and more talented. Federer is more complete and more talented than Nadal and Djokovic, and I don't think people should be denying the merits of Nadal.
Don't see why Ronaldo should be penalized for being less talented and complete than Messi, but Messi should not be penalized because he is less of a leader than Ronaldo, less of a professional, and a lesser athlete.
They are just different, but equally impressive for what they achieved.
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KingLeo10
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There isn't a day that goes by on these forums that people on either side of the Messi CR7 camp post ludicrous opinions like the other pales in comparison.
That was once upon a time the case in 2015...where Messi had the better peak, better production (both goals and assists), more CLs (4 or 3.5 versus 2 at that point), more leagues, better H2H, better Ballon d'Or Count ( 6 v 3 at that point), more dominant CL performances, more CL KO goals etc.
But over 16-18, CR7 has pretty much closed the gap. He's still behind in some areas but he's now ahead in some areas (CLs, CL KO goals). I obviously prefer peak Messi to peak CR7 as a player but career wise, there's arguments on both sides.
That was once upon a time the case in 2015...where Messi had the better peak, better production (both goals and assists), more CLs (4 or 3.5 versus 2 at that point), more leagues, better H2H, better Ballon d'Or Count ( 6 v 3 at that point), more dominant CL performances, more CL KO goals etc.
But over 16-18, CR7 has pretty much closed the gap. He's still behind in some areas but he's now ahead in some areas (CLs, CL KO goals). I obviously prefer peak Messi to peak CR7 as a player but career wise, there's arguments on both sides.
KingLeo10
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R9 in 96-97 at Barcelona was better than CR7 has ever been. But CR7's prime lasted like 10 years...R9's was maybe 2 years.
Thank you. I agree.
Ronaldo is probably the most talented striker every, so CR7 ending up short isnt something to be ashamed about, 11/12, 13/14 or 14/15 are great enough seasons individually regardless.
Ronaldo would just take the ball and run past everyboy, including the keeper, and he would do it over and over, just absurd.
JamDav1982
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Likes of Henry and Ronaldinho were not better than peak Ronaldo.
Even R9 is debateable. More pleasing on eye but could easily see how would be more likely to win with CR7 in team.
Ronaldo is up there with Messi as the best ever. Just behind him.
Thats not true! Maradona was definitely better than CR.
JamDav1982
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Maradona more silky/skilled player with more ability but didnt have better career or better peaks bar that WC where could argue that was better peak than Messi as well if that is the case.
If folk prefer Maradona fair enough as he is iconic but to even question if Ronaldinho was a better player than Ronaldo is ridiculous.
But hey... Its not about better CAREER. Who was the better PLAYER? In their prime, when IT WAS ALL THERE. Casemiro has won 3 CLs, R9 never won one. On club level, Casemiro has already had a better career. Your arguments suck.
JamDav1982
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Career as in what they produced week in week out and peak can argue Ronaldo had better seasons than Maradona ever did unless want to break it down to one world cup.
In his prime Ronaldo was better than likes of Henry and Ronaldinho and it is not even particularly close. If ask stupid questions dont get upset when get answer you dont like.
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