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Luftstalag14

Culé de Celestial Empire
I know I will definitely miss Messi and Ronaldo where they are both gone, but sometimes I wish the two were gone already. Too many Messi, Barca, Ronaldo, Real Madrid fans trying to bring their rivalry into every game, season, tournament and trophy etc. to argue for their respective opinion and agenda. Can we just enjoy football as it is? A rivalry is healthy and often needed to spice things up, but to put almost everything in the context of their rivalry is just so tiresome.

Good game by Ronaldo by the way today. Hope Messi shows up tomorrow.
 
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gasgas

Senior Member
Balon D'Or doesn't matter, winning with two different teams doesn't matter either. Portugal have the euros so Ronaldo has that but he didn't play well. He does have 5 Champions Leagues to Messi's 4 but that may change back in Messi's favour.

Messi has 9 league titles to Ronaldo's 5 and is clearly the better player when you watch them, Ronaldo can get close to Messi in goalscoring but thats it.

Football played is the only legacy worth talking about and Messi kills Ronaldo in that department. The gap between them as footballers has grown in the last few years, Ronaldo is still incredibly inconsistent whilst Messi is on it nearly all the time.

Primary delusional disorder as per DSM-V
 

vlad

New member
Ronaldo cant learn nothing from messi, because he isnt capable for things messi can do, but messi can learn few zhings from ronaldo, main thing is hunger for success, to ne the best, on top, to give everything even if things doesnt go your way, with that messi woild have WC already and copa america, because at his best no one can stop him, sadly it isnt the case, and now people are still debating cr7vs meysi
 

Devils

Senior Member
Nobody is as clutch as this guy, nobody.

You can question his motives, his attitude, his abilities...but nobody has been anywhere near as clutch as he has for the last 3 years.

His confidence, mental fortitude and drive is unmatchable.
 

Givenchy

Senior Member
problem is, if someone was to ask me who the most talented player ever was? honestly I'd say Ronaldinho but we don't put him up there as the GOAT because he didn't stay around long enough.

Messi is the more talented player but Ronaldo has had the better career, it depends what you value more on an individual level. I think at the end of their careers, Maradona will still be hailed as the GOAT - he had the personality, determination and talent at Club level and country.
 

DonAndres

Wild Man of Borneo
At this point, it's completely ridiculous to say ''he has diminished the distance between him and Messi''.

He's almost certainly winning another Ballon D'or which will put him at 6 to Messi's 5.

He has 5 Champions League titles with two different teams and three in a row when no team has managed to defended it once. Messi has 4 and never won back-to-back.

He helped Portugal win the Euro, while Messi has never brought Argentina Copa America.

Legacy wise, Ronaldo currently has the better résumé, the debate who is more impactful or skillful will remain forever.

Only because fans these days lack IQ and act like the game is played only on paper. With this type of logic, how is Maradona considered better than Gerd Muller?

The latter scored an enormous amount of more goals, won more trophies, scored the winner in a WC final, won the European cup several times as top scorer, etc.

The game isn't just about goals, it's about play. And that's where Messi, Maradona, and R9 totally transcended the game. Just an embarrassing indictment on the small mindedness of modern football fans to have Ronaldo up there with guys like that.
 

Cipoetz

Banned
Balon D'Or doesn't matter, winning with two different teams doesn't matter either. Portugal have the euros so Ronaldo has that but he didn't play well. He does have 5 Champions Leagues to Messi's 4 but that may change back in Messi's favour.

Messi has 9 league titles to Ronaldo's 5 and is clearly the better player when you watch them, Ronaldo can get close to Messi in goalscoring but thats it.

Football played is the only legacy worth talking about and Messi kills Ronaldo in that department. The gap between them as footballers has grown in the last few years, Ronaldo is still incredibly inconsistent whilst Messi is on it nearly all the time.


where was ur messiah 2016-2018 cl knockout ? oh yeah scoring goal vs malaga and las palmas i guess?

dont be a retarted fans. messi has been shit in big games without iniesta and xavi.

get a copa win first FFS

messi is more skillfull. but his mental game is not even close than ronaldo. thats why ronaldo is more clutch.

cant event get back to back champion league. but talking cock to player who got trepeat.

both is god. messi more skillfull but ronaldo mentality is far above messi. accept it and move on

Nobody is as clutch as this guy, nobody.

You can question his motives, his attitude, his abilities...but nobody has been anywhere near as clutch as he has for the last 3 years.

His confidence, mental fortitude and drive is unmatchable.

not every skill can be judged by eyes.

messi might be 10 and ronaldo 8 using football skill. but ronaldo mentality is 20 while messie is 6

thats why ronaldo is clutch. he never gave up. always focus. self driven. this guy is insane
 

te amo barca

Blaugrana al vent
Only because fans these days lack IQ and act like the game is played only on paper. With this type of logic, how is Maradona considered better than Gerd Muller?

The latter scored an enormous amount of more goals, won more trophies, scored the winner in a WC final, won the European cup several times as top scorer, etc.

The game isn't just about goals, it's about play. And that's where Messi, Maradona, and R9 totally transcended the game. Just an embarrassing indictment on the small mindedness of modern football fans to have Ronaldo up there with guys like that.

iamverysmart material right here. Sure Ronaldo is worse at other aspects of the game than Messi. But you make it sound as if he were a glorified poacher and nothing more, which is not true. As far as play itself is concerned, Messi has enough problems himself. Does not bother to make himself available on the pitch, does not press and his other issues. Not a perfect player, and the gap between the two is not as huge as you think it is. Messi is still the better player for me though. Just hope you realize this.
 

DonAndres

Wild Man of Borneo
iamverysmart material right here. Sure Ronaldo is worse at other aspects of the game than Messi. But you make it sound as if he were a glorified poacher and nothing more, which is not true. As far as play itself is concerned, Messi has enough problems himself. Does not bother to make himself available on the pitch, does not press and his other issues. Not a perfect player, and the gap between the two is not as huge as you think it is. Messi is still the better player for me though. Just hope you realize this.

It's not that huge, Ronaldo is arguably top 5 all time. But he's not on the same tier as Leo or Maradona.

And if you think football fans understand nuance these days you're kidding yourself. Go on twitter or any social media and see the kinds of low effort memes and goal tally stats that get thrown around. Football discussion has only gotten worse and worse at large.

Funny how Gerd Muller gets seen as a poacher but Ronaldo doesn't (especially for the past 3-4 years).
 

Cipoetz

Banned
iamverysmart material right here. Sure Ronaldo is worse at other aspects of the game than Messi. But you make it sound as if he were a glorified poacher and nothing more, which is not true. As far as play itself is concerned, Messi has enough problems himself. Does not bother to make himself available on the pitch, does not press and his other issues. Not a perfect player, and the gap between the two is not as huge as you think it is. Messi is still the better player for me though. Just hope you realize this.

not every skill can be judge with eyes. messi have 0 skill outside of football. where is his leadership ? never give up mentality and his bravery?

u put messi on penalty minute 94 in wc final he will fail. while ronaldo thrive for moments like those.

messi have higher soccer skill but ronaldo mentality and leadership is way way above messi.

back to back to back aka threepeat championship league while barca pep era cant even get double. let that sink in.
 

Stoichkov1

New member
It's not that huge, Ronaldo is arguably top 5 all time. But he's not on the same tier as Leo or Maradona.

And if you think football fans understand nuance these days you're kidding yourself. Go on twitter or any social media and see the kinds of low effort memes and goal tally stats that get thrown around. Football discussion has only gotten worse and worse at large.

Funny how Gerd Muller gets seen as a poacher but Ronaldo doesn't (especially for the past 3-4 years).

Gerd Muller couldn't score FKs like that though.
 

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