10 - Lionel Messi - v5

saw some stats on CL website, he ran about 25-30 km less than Salah and Ronaldo in the whole tournament, not surprised at all. What surprise me is the stats about fastest speed, it's pretty shit, just 28 km/h, Ronaldo 31, Salah 33. Messi aged badly athletically confirmed.

Messi has clocked 30+ in La Liga this season so it's not like he's slow.

Stoichkov1 said:

That's why he was MOTM against Madrid in December or scored against Atletico.

If you didn't notice Real can win league games without Ronaldo who is rested almost every week while if Messi or Suarez don't perform Barca doesn't score.

If Ronaldo has an off night in CL Real still wins, if Messi disappears Barca concedes 3 goals against the 4th best Italian team.

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-Messi had an off night in the first leg vs Roma yet Barca still won 4-1
-We also dominated in Turin in the group stages and got a 0-0 without Messi starting

Madrid midfield is also so overrated; I can't believe people here were saying Kroos/Modric are like Xavi/Iniesta and giving them all the credit for Ronaldo outshining Messi in CL recent years. Yet another big game today where their midfield gets outclassed.

Barca83 said:

Madrid midfield is also so overrated; I can't believe people here were saying Kroos/Modric are like Xavi/Iniesta and giving them all the credit for Ronaldo outshining Messi in CL recent years. Yet another big game today where their midfield gets outclassed.

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where did madrid's midfield get outclassed?

No one are saying that.

Real Madrid won against Bayern without CR ever being mentioned in the game. Why? Because they play hard and got a great allround team. Barca had to get a half-injured Messi in the game to save a point against Sevilla.

We never dominated Juventus in Turin, that's simply not true. They had more chances than us and more shots + shots on target.

And we needed two own goals vs Roma to win 4-2 and Messi was still among the better players that night.

Barca83 said:

Madrid midfield is also so overrated; I can't believe people here were saying Kroos/Modric are like Xavi/Iniesta and giving them all the credit for Ronaldo outshining Messi in CL recent years. Yet another big game today where their midfield gets outclassed.

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midfield gets outclassed = Ronaldo is totally impotent, theres a pattern.

no midfielder can really compare to Xavi and Iniesta but Modric-Kroos has been the best midfield by alot recently

KingLeo10 said:

where did madrid's midfield get outclassed?

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did you actually watch the match or just check the score? Bayern were on the front foot for literally all 90 minutes

Givenchy said:

midfield gets outclassed = Ronaldo is totally impotent, theres a pattern.

no midfielder can really compare to Xavi and Iniesta but Modric-Kroos has been the best midfield by alot recently

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City's midfield this year has been streets ahead of Madrid's

Barca83 said:

City's midfield this year has been streets ahead of Madrid's

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this season sure but Modric-Kroos and even Casemiro have been the best for Madrids first 2 CL's

Hardy said:

saw some stats on CL website, he ran about 25-30 km less than Salah and Ronaldo in the whole tournament, not surprised at all. What surprise me is the stats about fastest speed, it's pretty shit, just 28 km/h, Ronaldo 31, Salah 33. Messi aged badly athletically confirmed.

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And then there is a plan how messi will playin midfield when he gets older, with such a workrate no chance, barca will suffer, watching ronaldo yesterdsy, he didnt offer anything in attack but he has amazing workrate which is so underrated, 94'minute and he is running on his own half to take the ball


Messi needs to do something about his performances otherwise we will always wait for that moment of brilliance and if that doesnt happen, barca will play with 10 players, big teams doesnt have much problem to block him when he has such a workrate, which is sad considering talent he has

Hardy said:

saw some stats on CL website, he ran about 25-30 km less than Salah and Ronaldo in the whole tournament, not surprised at all. What surprise me is the stats about fastest speed, it's pretty shit, just 28 km/h, Ronaldo 31, Salah 33. Messi aged badly athletically confirmed.

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That doesn't say much, these stats highly depend on how you play. Liverpool has a lot of counter attacks, and Madrid also does counter more than us. And in both teams these are the players that are running for the ball in these situations and that's where they reach top speed. We don't counter much (we could've vs Roma but Valverde was too scared heh) and often Messi is the playmaker from the center and not in a position to just run for passes.

Ofc Cristiano and Salah are very fast, probably faster than Messi but these stats are no proof imo. I also don't see a big problem here, running without ball was never his biggest strength. He shines with his acceleration and ball control, not necessarily with his top speed.

The running distance has been a problem for years now, but we don't know how much of that is because he can't do more and how much it's about his role. Coaches seem to free him from defense, because he can't do more? Or because they rely so much on him as a playmaker and goalscorer that they give him this freedom where players like Salah or Cristiano don't have to get the ball from their own box?

How come big teams these days dont have problem to block messi whole match? Its clearly due to lack of movement from messi, and that is a big problem

vlad said:

How come big teams these days dont have problem to block messi whole match? Its clearly due to lack of movement from messi, and that is a big problem

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Slow tempo and lack of movement from entire team.

lucky real madrid not facing this guy