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    Quote Originally Posted by MessiTHEgoat View Post
    Johan Cruyff: "Messi's tax case? Messi knows as much about taxes as I do: 0%. That's why we pay people for that, they should do their job."
    That's probably true, but there's more important question:
    Would Messi stay if he didn't make 100m per season?

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    SPIEGEL: Lionel Messi's 100-Million-Euro Contract

    SPIEGEL: Lionel Messi Paid around 12 Million Euros in Back Taxes

    Further documents obtained by DER SPIEGEL provide insight into just how sought-after Messi has long been. They reveal that a lawyer representing Messi spoke with negotiators at Real Madrid in June 2013. In an email to Messi's father, the lawyer wrote that Real wanted to buy his son out of his contract with FC Barcelona for 250 million euros, the transfer fee for Messi at the time.

    Messi's lawyer wrote to DER SPIEGEL that the publication of the content of confidential emails is unlawful. Real Madrid also wrote that the account was "totally false."
    The Qatar Foundation has struck again!

    Based on this "authentic" contract Messi is to receive 70 million euro a year. With all bonuses included he can earn up to 120m per annum. The fees in this contract are cosmic values and yet Messi didn't sign it. Greedy bastard!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MessiCam View Post
    Genuine question...

    Are you guys football fans or the moral high ground club?

    Every single professional I’ve come across tries to minimise taxes. There’s something seriously wrong with you if you don’t.

    I got in trouble with the tax authorities a few years ago too... Guess what? I don’t regret it and even now I consider every idea that could mean the government sees less of my hard earned money. It wouldn’t be different if I was wealthy either...
    Everybody tries to lower their taxes to their best of their abilities, sure, but once you start to break the law you run the risk of facing serious repercussions if you're not as rich or powerful as the likes of Messi and co.

    I'm sorry I just cannot condone or justify people breaking the law however ridiculous you may think it is. If I were as rich as Messi I would probably do the same due to the simple fact that I would likely be overwhelmed with greed and power, but it still doesn't make it right whichever way you look at it.
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    Spiegel is being disingenuous with this article. They’re including the renewal bonus as well as loyalty bonus over the life of the contract.

    His fixed annual income is €70 Million and some change which translates to roughly Ł582K per week which is not too far off the Ł500K widely reported which everybody here seemed to be content with.

    The renewal and loyalty bonus are excessive I agree but what do you guys think Messi is worth?

    €70 Million seems fair to me.
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    Hoping for a goal tomorrow, hes currently 4 off immobile for the Golden boot.

    Cavani remains my favourite to win it.

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    Messi is worth of the salary, but his mafia family isn't.

    Dear Leo, please get a financial advisor and don't trust your father blindly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ousmane Dembélé View Post
    Everybody tries to lower their taxes to their best of their abilities, sure, but once you start to break the law you run the risk of facing serious repercussions if you're not as rich or powerful as the likes of Messi and co.

    I'm sorry I just cannot condone or justify people breaking the law however ridiculous you may think it is. If I were as rich as Messi I would probably do the same due to the simple fact that I would likely be overwhelmed with greed and power, but it still doesn't make it right whichever way you look at it.
    And I agree, but the pitch forks are out as if some are privy to more information.

    I couldn’t care less what the players do regarding their finances. I just watch football games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MessiCam View Post
    And I agree, but the pitch forks are out as if some are privy to more information.

    I couldn’t care less what the players do regarding their finances. I just watch football games.
    Well, we should care, because there is a potential prison sentance on the cards.

    As long as Messi isn't in jail, all is good. I couldn't care less if his whole entourage is though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MessiCam View Post
    And I agree, but the pitch forks are out as if some are privy to more information.

    I couldn’t care less what the players do regarding their finances. I just watch football games.
    Sure, but if we're not supposed to care about footballers private lives then we should stop glorifying them all the time as some sort of deity with godly powers and status, but rather just acknowledge them for their exceptional talent on the field.

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    The only wrongdoing in this case is Leo, or his father most likely, insisting the club to compensate them for the 12 million back taxes. The rest of the investigation and article is surely hurtful for Messi's public image, but not illegal stuff. Expect to see some poor performances on the pitch by Leo the near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ousmane Dembélé View Post
    Sure, but if we're not supposed to care about footballers private lives then we should stop glorifying them all the time as some sort of deity with godly powers and status, but rather just acknowledge them for their exceptional talent on the field.
    Exactly. Die hard fans have this tendency to give Messi great human qualities based on his godly football talents. Those are not related in any way.

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    How do we know this isn't all his father? Messi may just be an ignorant footballer leaving it all to his father, who probably says to him - "Don't worry about all this. I've got this."

    I find it difficult to imagine Messi hatching this scheme along with his father. Nothing about his personality suggests he would do so. This could be completely wrong and maybe Messi is a little criminal mastermind - it's not possible to be sure. But I feel the former situation is more likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neeraj View Post
    How do we know this isn't all his father? Messi may just be an ignorant footballer leaving it all to his father, who probably says to him - "Don't worry about all this. I've got this."

    I find it difficult to imagine Messi hatching this scheme along with his father. Nothing about his personality suggests he would do so. This could be completely wrong and maybe Messi is a little criminal mastermind - it's not possible to be sure. But I feel the former situation is more likely.
    This excuse works for a while, but goes away pretty quickly. It is not reasonable to expect Messi to not be aware of things that directly involve him. His father can be a negative influence, which it is almost surely, but he's a grown man and is responsible for his actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neeraj View Post
    How do we know this isn't all his father? Messi may just be an ignorant footballer leaving it all to his father, who probably says to him - "Don't worry about all this. I've got this."

    I find it difficult to imagine Messi hatching this scheme along with his father. Nothing about his personality suggests he would do so. This could be completely wrong and maybe Messi is a little criminal mastermind - it's not possible to be sure. But I feel the former situation is more likely.
    I think if things really get south, it's possible that Jorge will confess that this was all his work (which it probably was), so Leo doesn't get jailed.

    Anyway, player's fathers who come from lower class backgrounds shouldn't be their agents, let alone financial advisors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by serghei View Post
    This excuse works for a while, but goes away pretty quickly. It is not reasonable to expect Messi to not be aware of things that directly involve him. His father can be a negative influence, which it is almost surely, but he's a grown man and is responsible for his actions.
    From a legal sense, you're right. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse. I'm only talking about the lens with which we perceive Messi - it's all shades of grey here, and these things change the tone of grey, that's it.

    If he broke the law, then there's no excuse to be made for him not knowing about it, because it looks like this isn't the first time this happening either, in Spain.

    Either way, this entire thing is so unfortunate. I feel like we gave him everything, and vice versa. Things were perfect. It's so frustrating that such things keep haunting us.
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