10 - Lionel Messi - v5

vlad said:

How come big teams these days dont have problem to block messi whole match? Its clearly due to lack of movement from messi, and that is a big problem

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Gaudi said:

Slow tempo and lack of movement from entire team.

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Luftstalag14 said:

His lack of movement is not new, he has been like this for many years, even when he was younger. I wonder if it comes down to his physical condition, i.e. his lack of stamina that he purposely tries not to move to save energy. Or something else?

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magicomessi said:

How many triples would real madrid got if messi played for them let’s say since 2009 ?

Just imagine him playing with a squad like that

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magicomessi said:

How many triples would real madrid got if messi played for them let’s say since 2009 ?

Just imagine him playing with a squad like that

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MTL_Barca said:

It shouldn't only be about Messi, but the problem is that our tactic literally became pass to Messi and wait because the movement of the whole team is so bad and the midfield cant create chances even if they have the space. We can't play to get him in good situations because we expect him to create them all on his own. It works often enough because most teams are much worse than us, Messi is still Messi and other players still can have good days but i don't think the performance in big games is a coincidence.

Messi is still the best, he saved Valverde so often this season but even Messi can be stopped especially if you only have to focus on him. That's just normal even for the best player on the world. Salah isn't playing like this just because of talent but because of Klopp and his tactics working perfectly for his forwards. We don't help Messi at all.

He had a bit more freedom with Neymar on the wing for opponents to worry about and Suarez being in better shape but the problems were the same, the midfield already was poor so Messi has to play as an AM/CM and create the chances himself because who else should do it? Rakitic? Gomes? Old Don Andres?

Messi might not be on his best (physical) level but the expectations are too high, even for him. Cristiano for example doesn't need to do all the work Leo has, Modric/Kroos + Isco/Asensio and Marcelo do the work for him then he scores some goals and is the hero even though he did nothing the whole game besides losing the ball, shots to the stands and a bit of defence.

The problem isn't that Messi can be stopped, we can't expect him to be unstoppable and carry us alone but that's exactly what it looks like. The problem is that we are completely dead if Messi is stopped or just has a bad day.

If we had a better plan for attacking, a better midfield for control/creating and dangerous players you have to cover all the time like Dembele and Coutinho fully integrated it would free up Messi so much and i hope we will see that before he starts to decline big time because i cant watch us wasting the best player of all time by forcing him to carry players like Paulinho or Gomes while Cristiano wins one golden ball after the other with the help of Modric/Kroos/Marcelo.

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MTL_Barca said:

It shouldn't only be about Messi, but the problem is that our tactic literally became pass to Messi and wait because the movement of the whole team is so bad and the midfield cant create chances even if they have the space. We can't play to get him in good situations because we expect him to create them all on his own. It works often enough because most teams are much worse than us, Messi is still Messi and other players still can have good days but i don't think the performance in big games is a coincidence.

Messi is still the best, he saved Valverde so often this season but even Messi can be stopped especially if you only have to focus on him. That's just normal even for the best player on the world. Salah isn't playing like this just because of talent but because of Klopp and his tactics working perfectly for his forwards. We don't help Messi at all.

He had a bit more freedom with Neymar on the wing for opponents to worry about and Suarez being in better shape but the problems were the same, the midfield already was poor so Messi has to play as an AM/CM and create the chances himself because who else should do it? Rakitic? Gomes? Old Don Andres?

Messi might not be on his best (physical) level but the expectations are too high, even for him. Cristiano for example doesn't need to do all the work Leo has, Modric/Kroos + Isco/Asensio and Marcelo do the work for him then he scores some goals and is the hero even though he did nothing the whole game besides losing the ball, shots to the stands and a bit of defence.

The problem isn't that Messi can be stopped, we can't expect him to be unstoppable and carry us alone but that's exactly what it looks like. The problem is that we are completely dead if Messi is stopped or just has a bad day.

If we had a better plan for attacking, a better midfield for control/creating and dangerous players you have to cover all the time like Dembele and Coutinho fully integrated it would free up Messi so much and i hope we will see that before he starts to decline big time because i cant watch us wasting the best player of all time by forcing him to carry players like Paulinho or Gomes while Cristiano wins one golden ball after the other with the help of Modric/Kroos/Marcelo.

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Barca83 said:

Except for the fact that Messi has had better squads around him at Barcelona than Ronaldo has had at Madrid. The only exceptions are the past two seasons.

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MTL_Barca said:

It shouldn't only be about Messi, but the problem is that our tactic literally became pass to Messi and wait because the movement of the whole team is so bad and the midfield cant create chances even if they have the space. We can't play to get him in good situations because we expect him to create them all on his own. It works often enough because most teams are much worse than us, Messi is still Messi and other players still can have good days but i don't think the performance in big games is a coincidence.

Messi is still the best, he saved Valverde so often this season but even Messi can be stopped especially if you only have to focus on him. That's just normal even for the best player on the world. Salah isn't playing like this just because of talent but because of Klopp and his tactics working perfectly for his forwards. We don't help Messi at all.

He had a bit more freedom with Neymar on the wing for opponents to worry about and Suarez being in better shape but the problems were the same, the midfield already was poor so Messi has to play as an AM/CM and create the chances himself because who else should do it? Rakitic? Gomes? Old Don Andres?

Messi might not be on his best (physical) level but the expectations are too high, even for him. Cristiano for example doesn't need to do all the work Leo has, Modric/Kroos + Isco/Asensio and Marcelo do the work for him then he scores some goals and is the hero even though he did nothing the whole game besides losing the ball, shots to the stands and a bit of defence.

The problem isn't that Messi can be stopped, we can't expect him to be unstoppable and carry us alone but that's exactly what it looks like. The problem is that we are completely dead if Messi is stopped or just has a bad day.

If we had a better plan for attacking, a better midfield for control/creating and dangerous players you have to cover all the time like Dembele and Coutinho fully integrated it would free up Messi so much and i hope we will see that before he starts to decline big time because i cant watch us wasting the best player of all time by forcing him to carry players like Paulinho or Gomes while Cristiano wins one golden ball after the other with the help of Modric/Kroos/Marcelo.

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