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    Messi is worth of the salary, but his mafia family isn't.

    Dear Leo, please get a financial advisor and don't trust your father blindly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ousmane Dembélé View Post
    Everybody tries to lower their taxes to their best of their abilities, sure, but once you start to break the law you run the risk of facing serious repercussions if you're not as rich or powerful as the likes of Messi and co.

    I'm sorry I just cannot condone or justify people breaking the law however ridiculous you may think it is. If I were as rich as Messi I would probably do the same due to the simple fact that I would likely be overwhelmed with greed and power, but it still doesn't make it right whichever way you look at it.
    And I agree, but the pitch forks are out as if some are privy to more information.

    I couldn’t care less what the players do regarding their finances. I just watch football games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MessiCam View Post
    And I agree, but the pitch forks are out as if some are privy to more information.

    I couldn’t care less what the players do regarding their finances. I just watch football games.
    Well, we should care, because there is a potential prison sentance on the cards.

    As long as Messi isn't in jail, all is good. I couldn't care less if his whole entourage is though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MessiCam View Post
    And I agree, but the pitch forks are out as if some are privy to more information.

    I couldn’t care less what the players do regarding their finances. I just watch football games.
    Sure, but if we're not supposed to care about footballers private lives then we should stop glorifying them all the time as some sort of deity with godly powers and status, but rather just acknowledge them for their exceptional talent on the field.

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    The only wrongdoing in this case is Leo, or his father most likely, insisting the club to compensate them for the 12 million back taxes. The rest of the investigation and article is surely hurtful for Messi's public image, but not illegal stuff. Expect to see some poor performances on the pitch by Leo the near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ousmane Dembélé View Post
    Sure, but if we're not supposed to care about footballers private lives then we should stop glorifying them all the time as some sort of deity with godly powers and status, but rather just acknowledge them for their exceptional talent on the field.
    Exactly. Die hard fans have this tendency to give Messi great human qualities based on his godly football talents. Those are not related in any way.

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    How do we know this isn't all his father? Messi may just be an ignorant footballer leaving it all to his father, who probably says to him - "Don't worry about all this. I've got this."

    I find it difficult to imagine Messi hatching this scheme along with his father. Nothing about his personality suggests he would do so. This could be completely wrong and maybe Messi is a little criminal mastermind - it's not possible to be sure. But I feel the former situation is more likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neeraj View Post
    How do we know this isn't all his father? Messi may just be an ignorant footballer leaving it all to his father, who probably says to him - "Don't worry about all this. I've got this."

    I find it difficult to imagine Messi hatching this scheme along with his father. Nothing about his personality suggests he would do so. This could be completely wrong and maybe Messi is a little criminal mastermind - it's not possible to be sure. But I feel the former situation is more likely.
    This excuse works for a while, but goes away pretty quickly. It is not reasonable to expect Messi to not be aware of things that directly involve him. His father can be a negative influence, which it is almost surely, but he's a grown man and is responsible for his actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neeraj View Post
    How do we know this isn't all his father? Messi may just be an ignorant footballer leaving it all to his father, who probably says to him - "Don't worry about all this. I've got this."

    I find it difficult to imagine Messi hatching this scheme along with his father. Nothing about his personality suggests he would do so. This could be completely wrong and maybe Messi is a little criminal mastermind - it's not possible to be sure. But I feel the former situation is more likely.
    I think if things really get south, it's possible that Jorge will confess that this was all his work (which it probably was), so Leo doesn't get jailed.

    Anyway, player's fathers who come from lower class backgrounds shouldn't be their agents, let alone financial advisors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by serghei View Post
    This excuse works for a while, but goes away pretty quickly. It is not reasonable to expect Messi to not be aware of things that directly involve him. His father can be a negative influence, which it is almost surely, but he's a grown man and is responsible for his actions.
    From a legal sense, you're right. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse. I'm only talking about the lens with which we perceive Messi - it's all shades of grey here, and these things change the tone of grey, that's it.

    If he broke the law, then there's no excuse to be made for him not knowing about it, because it looks like this isn't the first time this happening either, in Spain.

    Either way, this entire thing is so unfortunate. I feel like we gave him everything, and vice versa. Things were perfect. It's so frustrating that such things keep haunting us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FCBfan22 View Post
    Anyway, player's fathers who come from lower class backgrounds shouldn't be their agents, let alone financial advisors.
    It's not about that, really. CR7 is also having tax troubles and yet he has the best agent in the world, Jorge Mendes.

    Jorge Messi or someone else in the family might have debt problems. Gambling addiction is common among relatives of superstars. Who knows? The fact is Leo is providing for a large family, almost a community in Argentina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ousmane Dembélé View Post
    Sure, but if we're not supposed to care about footballers private lives then we should stop glorifying them all the time as some sort of deity with godly powers and status, but rather just acknowledge them for their exceptional talent on the field.
    And that’s exactly how it should be. Messi’s personal life is of no interest to me. I only care about what he does on the pitch and he’s exceptional at that.

    That said, I still don’t see any connection. If he gets a jail sentence for shady dealings that’s on him. I just watch him play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windhook View Post
    The only wrongdoing in this case is Leo, or his father most likely, insisting the club to compensate them for the 12 million back taxes. The rest of the investigation and article is surely hurtful for Messi's public image, but not illegal stuff. Expect to see some poor performances on the pitch by Leo the near future.
    They loaned him the money. He wasn’t compensated for it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neeraj View Post
    From a legal sense, you're right. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse. I'm only talking about the lens with which we perceive Messi - it's all shades of grey here, and these things change the tone of grey, that's it.

    If he broke the law, then there's no excuse to be made for him not knowing about it, because it looks like this isn't the first time this happening either, in Spain.

    Either way, this entire thing is so unfortunate. I feel like we gave him everything, and vice versa. Things were perfect. It's so frustrating that such things keep haunting us.
    I perceive him in a negative light myself. His name is all over the scandal. It doesn't matter who advised him or not, he made the call. He started as a very humble and great guy, but his huge fame and power in football have made him worse as a person, as they got to unhealthy levels.

    I don't buy this ingnorant, legally-retard Messi who doesn't know what he's doing and is used as a puppet and frontman by his devil family, while he's a genuine good person. He probably knew what he was doing and was ill-advised by his father.

    He's no role model for kids out there that's for sure. To be a great role model as a footballer you need to be a great player (which he is), but also a great person and one with many virtues that are worthy to be admired (which he isn't).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windhook View Post
    It's not about that, really. CR7 is also having tax troubles and yet he has the best agent in the world, Jorge Mendes.

    Jorge Messi or someone else in the family might have debt problems. Gambling addiction is common among relatives of superstars. Who knows? The fact is Leo is providing for a large family, almost a community in Argentina.
    Or maybe his brothers are moving arms illegaly. That's how the politicians got rich here in our country during the 90's.