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    Quote Originally Posted by DonAndres View Post
    So it actually is before taxes? That makes it much more reasonable and aligned with his net salary + bonuses figures + image rights figures.



    My mistake was assuming it was post-tax, and not knowing that sports contracts work differently in Europe. In the States athletes contract figures must be public and it's illegal to pay more than what was stated. In football it seems like whatever knowledge we have of contracts is simply through the media and isn't necessarily public or mandated to be. So yah, Barca can pay as much as they want as long as taxes are paid and we the public don't need to know about it.
    pretty sure that amount is before taxes, from what i've understand income tax in Catalonia is 49 %, so almost half goes to the government

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    Quote Originally Posted by FCBfan22 View Post
    I just hope that his father hasn't expolited charity for profit. If there was no payouts from the charity accounts, they can prove nothing. But if there were some, his legacy will be seriously stained, even if his father takes one for the team and admits that all of this shit was his work.
    Looks like they tried at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albo View Post
    FC Barcelona didn't to anything wrong. If this is much worse than expected then it's on the Messi family. Barca just donated money to the Leo Messi Foundation but it's up to them how they use it.
    Nope, Barca donated the money to the LMF to avoid the taxes.

    "The tax agency considers that Lionel Messi should collect the money, pay his taxes, and then give to his foundation. Instead, he asks Barça to pay the money directly to the foundation. At first glance, it looks like the same. Except that Barça donations are exempt from taxes and social security contributions. With millions of euros in tax savings for both the player and the club."

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    45-50 mil is net salary, plus random bonus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albo View Post
    Looks like they tried at least.
    Well, if they tried, what matters here is to who does the account where the money was supposed to be deposited belongs.


    If it's Messi's father or one of the brothers, they will get jailed and I don't care about that. But if it's Leo's he could be fucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoichkov1 View Post
    Nope, Barca donated the money to the LMF to avoid the taxes.

    "The tax agency considers that Lionel Messi should collect the money, pay his taxes, and then give to his foundation. Instead, he asks Barça to pay the money directly to the foundation. At first glance, it looks like the same. Except that Barça donations are exempt from taxes and social security contributions. With millions of euros in tax savings for both the player and the club."
    Ahh my mistake, well if they paid the correct taxes it should be all good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albo View Post
    FC Barcelona didn't to anything wrong. If this is much worse than expected then it's on the Messi family. Barca just donated money to the Leo Messi Foundation but it's up to them how they use it.
    Going by this, I think our club could be somewhat complicit by agreeing to pay The Leo Messi Foundation 7.5m (or 8.5m? I am seeing two different figures while the first was tied to 2010-2013 while the 8.5m figure is tied to 2007-2012) without paying taxes.

    By the way what's up with that alleged 23.1 "exceptional bonus" the club gave to Messi to cover the 12m loan he got from the club?

    This is really some bad stuff for Messi. Making a lot of money is one thing (100m pre-tax and including all those bonuses), but the picture they are painting, which is he and his entourage were using the LMF to evade taxes is really bad. Do we even know if the LMF is a legit foundation? What does it do?

    IF TRUE, Messi and his entourage should really stop all the BS and gimmicks they were pulling. He is super rich, pay the damn taxes like the rest of us do. Not only will it hurt his own image, more importantly it might get our club into trouble.
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    Messi is such a despicable person.
    Hope he scores hattrick on sunday.

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    All I care is whether or not he goes to jail.

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    Bad timing indeed at the very least. You think he wouldn't be distracted by this right ahead of our crucial game at the Anoeta? I doubt it.
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    As is apparent from the documents examined by the consortium journalistic EIC, Barcelona has offered to champion the money necessary to bring themselves into line with the tax authorities. And, according to sources of Madrid, the player would be already close to an agreement that would avoid, paying evaded taxs and any fines, to finish another time under process. In the coming weeks we will understand if the tax authorities will lay aside their arms in front of a possible proposal for a transaction. Of course, now we can say that the Foundation Leo Messi has travelled for years on wire of illegality. Founded in 2007, the beneficial institution it is entered in the public register only after six years. And in the meantime has never published their budgets, as instead provides a precise legal obligation.

    This is what says Espresso

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luftstalag14 View Post
    Going by this, I think our club could be somewhat complicit by agreeing to pay The Leo Messi Foundation 7.5m (or 8.5m? I am seeing two different figures while the first was tied to 2010-2013 while the 8.5m figure is tied to 2007-2012) without paying taxes.

    By the way what's up with that alleged 23.1 "exceptional bonus" the club gave to Messi to cover the 12m loan he got from the club?

    This is really some bad stuff for Messi. Making a lot of money is one thing (100m pre-tax and including all those bonuses), but the picture they are painting, which is he and his entourage were using the LMF to evade taxes is really bad. Do we even know if the LMF is a legit foundation? What does it do?

    IF TRUE, Messi and his entourage should really stop all the BS and gimmicks they were pulling. He is super rich, pay the damn taxes like the rest of us do. Not only will it hurt his own image, more importantly it might get our club into trouble.
    this is spot on, especially the last sentence. i'm an absolutely diehard messi fan, but such behavior by him (OR MORE LIKELY his entourage) jeopardizes the future of the club. and no player is bigger than barcelona.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luftstalag14 View Post
    Going by this, I think our club could be somewhat complicit by agreeing to pay The Leo Messi Foundation 7.5m (or 8.5m? I am seeing two different figures while the first was tied to 2010-2013 while the 8.5m figure is tied to 2007-2012) without paying taxes.

    By the way what's up with that alleged 23.1 "exceptional bonus" the club gave to Messi to cover the 12m loan he got from the club?

    This is really some bad stuff for Messi. Making a lot of money is one thing (100m pre-tax and including all those bonuses), but the picture they are painting, which is he and his entourage were using the LMF to evade taxes is really bad. Do we even know if the LMF is a legit foundation? What does it do?

    IF TRUE, Messi and his entourage should really stop all the BS and gimmicks they were pulling. He is super rich, pay the damn taxes like the rest of us do. Not only will it hurt his own image, more importantly it might get our club into trouble.
    the 23m bonus is pre-tax while the loan is after-tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardy View Post
    As is apparent from the documents examined by the consortium journalistic EIC, Barcelona has offered to champion the money necessary to bring themselves into line with the tax authorities. And, according to sources of Madrid, the player would be already close to an agreement that would avoid, paying evaded taxs and any fines, to finish another time under process. In the coming weeks we will understand if the tax authorities will lay aside their arms in front of a possible proposal for a transaction. Of course, now we can say that the Foundation Leo Messi has travelled for years on wire of illegality. Founded in 2007, the beneficial institution it is entered in the public register only after six years. And in the meantime has never published their budgets, as instead provides a precise legal obligation.

    This is what says Espresso
    So it basically means our club and Messi are safe (without any legal troubles) but the LMF is a charade?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardy View Post
    As is apparent from the documents examined by the consortium journalistic EIC, Barcelona has offered to champion the money necessary to bring themselves into line with the tax authorities. And, according to sources of Madrid, the player would be already close to an agreement that would avoid, paying evaded taxs and any fines, to finish another time under process. In the coming weeks we will understand if the tax authorities will lay aside their arms in front of a possible proposal for a transaction. Of course, now we can say that the Foundation Leo Messi has travelled for years on wire of illegality. Founded in 2007, the beneficial institution it is entered in the public register only after six years. And in the meantime has never published their budgets, as instead provides a precise legal obligation.

    This is what says Espresso
    Interesting difference. Football Leaks article stated that the taxes have already been paid while Espresso says it's about to be paid.